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Andrew Sullivan: Money bleeds Hollywood of its movie magic
The Sunday Times ^ | July 24, 2005 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 07/23/2005 4:31:17 PM PDT by MadIvan

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To: okie01

"Oliver Stone has been signed to direct the first 9/11 movie."

Well, the man who suggested a conspiracy to kill Kennedy, who has a last name with a double entendre, could at least think about his future in film making. I agree with you though. No doubt this will be a character study of the mind of the terrorist and how we should understand what kind people the Muslims really are, how these men missed their families and lived in privation, and really do not want to die.

Who's the candy a$$ who ponied up the $$ for freaking Oliver noStones to make a movie about something deserving of patriotism, and not that profoundly tiring adolescent anti-ism we've grown to know from him?


61 posted on 07/23/2005 7:18:08 PM PDT by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch. NOT to be schiavoed, greered, or felosed as a patient)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Hooah to you, AR, the man who was there.


62 posted on 07/23/2005 7:19:41 PM PDT by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch. NOT to be schiavoed, greered, or felosed as a patient)
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To: ken5050

"As DVD players gained critical mass, people bought lots of DVDs . . ."


If a movie sucks, I am not going to watch it, period, be it in a theater or my living room. Why waste money -- or 2 hours -- on a DVD?

I feel a certain sorrow on the one hand for Hollywood's decline; on the other I feel a glee in watching these shameless left-wingers get their comeuppance. Until these people finally wake up and smell the coffee, they are going to continue being out of touch with their audiences with their horrendously pointless films.


63 posted on 07/23/2005 7:39:34 PM PDT by MoochPooch (A righteous person worries about his or her behavior, an extremist about everyone else's.)
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64 posted on 07/23/2005 7:42:22 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: BlessedBeGod

"A lot of teenagers I know are starting to watch movies from the 30s and 40s. Their favorites seem to be Katherine Hepburn and Cary Grant."


My new roommate, interestingly, is also mad about these 2 actors.

As far as their interest in the films of the 30s & 40s, I think it has a lot to do with their charm. The actors were classy & elegant. In action and dialogue, they carried a certain grace and decorum. Nowadays, everyone on screen is coarse or inarticulate. (Or PC, of course.)


65 posted on 07/23/2005 7:55:17 PM PDT by MoochPooch (A righteous person worries about his or her behavior, an extremist about everyone else's.)
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To: MadIvan

"Hollywood is insulting its audience, and they're not willing to pay for it."


You're so right. People are basically voting with their feet and boycotting Hollywood.


66 posted on 07/23/2005 7:57:40 PM PDT by MoochPooch (A righteous person worries about his or her behavior, an extremist about everyone else's.)
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To: MoochPooch; BlessedBeGod

I just bought an enormous oil painting of Cary Grant in a classic pose from the Bringing Up Baby/Philadelphia Story era. It came from an LA estate sale (just whose estate they wouldn't say) and the artist caught the twinkle in his eye perfectly. While not a fan per se, I enjoy his early films and had wanted a picture of Grant because he epitomizes the wit and class of the movies of that era. (I had wanted an 8x10 glossy and ended up with a 3 by 4 foot painting!)


67 posted on 07/23/2005 8:26:37 PM PDT by Moonmad27
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To: Fee

good choices. you are not alone. my pals in the video stores tell me the noir compalations are selling big. all the great stuff from fox and rko. check out the new brit offering, layer cake.


68 posted on 07/23/2005 9:47:09 PM PDT by fantom
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To: MadIvan

I was rereading the book "Donnie Brasco" a week or so ago, got about three quarters of the way through it and wondered if the movie version was any good, as I had never seen it. Got home that night, looked at the TV listings and saw it was starting in about 10 minutes on one of the cable networks. 'Twas quite the coinkydink. I watched about half of it. It was bad, it was really bad. Bad script and particularly bad casting of Johnny Depp as Brasco, and some big galoot miscast as Sonny Black. Al Pacino, normally the world's biggest hambone, was OK as Lefty Ruggiero, though. Took a great story and made it into a cheap thriller.


69 posted on 07/24/2005 12:00:10 AM PDT by jordan8
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To: MadIvan

The problem with Hollywood is the worthless Writer's Guild union is so full of idiots that do not have any creative imagination in their heads they have to constantly ruin older and better films with a newer version that isn't worth the trip to the theater to see.


70 posted on 07/24/2005 12:07:50 AM PDT by Chewbacca (My car gets 40 rods to the hogshead, and thats the way I like it!)
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To: Chewbacca

I asked the following question around a pub table the other day...what was the last good film you've seen based on an original screenplay.

It was really difficult to get an answer.

Regards, Ivan


71 posted on 07/24/2005 12:17:27 AM PDT by MadIvan (You underestimate the power of the Dark Side - http://www.sithorder.com/)
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To: dfwgator
There have been only two movies this summer that interested me enough to get me into theaters, and both were bird documentaries: "The Wild Parrots of Telegraph Hill" and "March of the Penguins." Both were fantastic. And not just because I prefer real birds to birdbrain actors. The parrots and penguins were more interesting and involving characters than anyone in any recent Hollywood movie.

About the only things that appeal to me anymore are old movies, documentaries, and the occasional good new movie that seemingly gets made by accident. The action movies are all big, loud, idiotic comic books filled with unconvincing CGI effects. And I guess nobody in Hollywood remembers 9/11 as well as I do, because I no longer find it entertaining to watch crowds fleeing in terror from explosions. And the comedies are mostly bad remakes of old shows I thought were stupid when they were on TV for free (but compared to the new movies, old shows like "Beverly Hillbillies" and "Bewitched" were Noel Coward).

It's like Jerry Seinfeld said when someone asked him if he didn't want to "graduate" from TV to movies. He said TV comedy is superior to movie comedy, and that when he thinks of TV comedy, he thinks of interesting characters saying witty things, but when he thinks of movie comedy, he thinks of two people looking into each other's faces and screaming as a car goes over a cliff.

72 posted on 07/24/2005 1:05:41 AM PDT by HHFi
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To: MadIvan

madivan available now on dvd. (sweet smell of success)and the classic (night and the city). richard widmark was incredilble! directed by jules dassin.


73 posted on 07/24/2005 11:00:00 AM PDT by fantom
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To: fantom

You want to do something about Hollywood and its horrible film making why not join us in creating a Conservative Hollywood.

http://www.boondockexpansionist.org/phpBB/index.php


74 posted on 07/24/2005 11:03:13 AM PDT by Sentis
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To: Fee
I think it is concievable within 10 years to use 3-D animation to produce life like films (all subjects, eras, genre) for less than $ 25M. I think this is possible, just look at the 3-D graphics on video games and how it is driving software, computer graphics, memory and speed.

And count one the anime-porn industry to drive sales and innovation here

75 posted on 07/24/2005 11:26:15 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: MadIvan
If that was true decades ago, it is truer today. I have yet to find any American grown-up who disagrees with the notion that Hollywood movies today are unprecedentedly bad. But nobody quite understands why.

We know why. They can't relate to real life anymore. There is nothing to make you feel you are a part of the story anymore.

If you don't understand your audience, you lose them.

76 posted on 07/24/2005 11:28:08 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: MadIvan

Last good film based on original screenplay? Kevin Spacey's Bobby Darin biopic Beyond the Sea. Eccentric and great.


77 posted on 07/24/2005 2:59:34 PM PDT by Moonmad27
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To: MadIvan

Why plunk down your hard-earned money for leftist propagandizing when you can get that for free on any American commercial TV station? (NBC, ABC, CBS, etc.)

Even then, I nearly always borrow DVDs for free from the library (Well, it IS my tax money, I might as well) or use Netflix.

I watch at least three foreign films to one American-made film these days.


78 posted on 07/24/2005 3:07:38 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: aculeus

That sounds like it might make sense, but can you lead us to a reliable source for the figures?


79 posted on 07/24/2005 3:17:00 PM PDT by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has ever led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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To: Mrs Mark

"War of the Worlds should of been more about the monsters and less about the bratty insufferable kids."

That and many other reasons why this film kept me away.


80 posted on 07/24/2005 3:20:55 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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