What about the passengers of KAL Flight 007?

WorldNetDaily ^ | 7/22/05 | Devvy Kidd

[wagglebee]

Jack Cashill, James Sanders and so many other dedicated Americans have worked tirelessly to expose the cover up of the downing of TWA Flight 800, which was blown out of the sky on July 17, 1996. But what about KAL Flight 007, which was forced to land on Sept. 1, 1983? KAL Flight 007 was allegedly shot down by the Ruskies with all 269 civilians perishing, including Congressman Larry McDonald.

I have done extensive research on this "incident" and there can be no other conclusion than it's an ugly cover-up, just like TWA Flight 800.

According to introductory comments in the book, "Incident at Sakhalin,"

As a result of more than 10 years of research, Michel Brun reveals the truth, which at least four governments have colluded to conceal. "Incident at Sakhalin" not only demolishes the official story of a lone civilian airliner flying innocently off course, it does much more. The book establishes that as the Korean Boeing 747 approached the Russian island of Sakhalin, so too did a number of U.S. military and reconnaissance aircraft in an ill-conceived intelligence and provocation operation that turned into a two-hour battle in which 30 or more U.S. Air Force and Navy personnel were killed and 10 or more U.S. aircraft were shot down.

The families of the survivors of KAL 007 have been fighting to bring forth the truth on this cover up for decades and get their family members back from the Ruskies. They get absolutely zero attention from "major" media, and that includes cable. One memo that was unearthed reads: Sen. Jesse Helms to Boris Yeltsin – Dec. 10, 1991: "The KAL 007 tragedy was one of the most tense incidents of the entire Cold War ... Please provide a detailed list of the camps containing live passengers and crew, together with a map showing their location."

Immediately following the incident, initial media reports all carried the truth:

SEOUL, South Korea (UPI) – A Korean Air Lines jumbo jet flying from New York to Seoul Wednesday with 269 people aboard, including a U.S. Congressman, was forced to land on Sakhalin, a Soviet-occupied island north of Japan, the government-run television said. The passengers were reported safe. Among them was Rep. Larry McDonald ... KAL Vice President Cho Choong-keun said he was told the plane landed safely. Cho said. "I cannot tell how the plane came to land on Sakhalin ... About 100 friends and relatives of passengers waiting at Kimpo were stunned at the report of the missing plane, but cheered and applauded when the landing at Sakhalin was announced.

Do you really think that the vice president of Korean Air Lines, Choong-keun, just hopped a plane to go negotiate for the return of the passengers if he had not been informed that there were live passengers to retrieve? Come on. You can bet a number of people were notified that the plane set down either on Sakhalin or right off shore, the passengers were alive and it was time for tea and talk. Remember Mr. Choong-keun's statement: "I cannot tell how the plane came to land on Sakhalin ..." In his own mind, he was positive the plane had landed and he was on his way to negotiate for the return of the passengers. Do you think Mr. Choong-keun became the vice president of an airline company because he's stupid?

The New York Times reported on Sept. 1, 1983:

TOKYO, Thursday, Sept. 1 – A South Korean airliner with 269 people aboard disappeared this morning near the Soviet island of Sakhalin ... had been forced down by Soviet Air Force planes and that all 240 passengers and 29 crew members were believed to be safe. Sakhalin, where the plane was believed to have been forced down, is an island off the coast of Siberia.

However, almost two full days later, we read, the New York Times, Sept. 2, 1983: "SANTA BARBARA, Calif., Sept. 1 – President Reagan expressed revulsion today at the reported downing of a Korean Air Lines plane off the Soviet Coast."

Let's read that sentence again: President Reagan expressed revulsion today at the reported downing of a Korean Air Lines plane off the Soviet Coast.

Are we to believe that Ronald Reagan expressed revulsion over something that is "reported" to have happened? Are we to believe that with all the sophisticated equipment this nation has funded – from planes to encryption devices, and everything in the arsenal of the National Security Agency and Department Of Defense – that Reagan reacted with intense outrage over something that has only been "reported"? We're to believe that the president of the United States of America didn't really know what happened? Perhaps we should ask Jesse Helms. His office did a very quiet multi-year investigation and he knows the truth.

No luggage or bodies were ever found at the alleged water crash site. The families are still trying to get their loved ones released by our "good friend," Vlad Putin. There is no doubt in my mind that Ronald Reagan, former Secretary of State George Schulz and former Sen. Jesse Helms all know the truth. Sixty-two Americans and the other passengers were sacrificed for the sake of political expediency. I hope you will take the time to read the research, because as far as I'm concerned, just like TWA Flight 800 – if you get in the way of the agenda, you're expendable.

[struwwelpeter]

It's terrifying to contemplate what those poor guys were going through, no controls and a whale of an aircraft going tits up on them. If the aircraft broke apart, then the CVR probably lost power before impact. I hope the passengers and crew were unconscious at this point as well.

May God forgive LTC Osipovich and the blood-thirsty gangsters in charge of mankind's most awful endeavor - the Soviet Union.

[wagglebee]

It may not have been reported, but it also doesn't involve Reagan "backing down" to the Soviets. If, as you say, each side had similar losses, it would make sense to leave the matter alone.

[struwwelpeter]

A lot of fuss has been made about the CVR and FDR that Yeltsin turned over to Korea during a state visit 8 years after the shootdown.

Some of the more tin-foilish sites (like rescue007.org and apfn.net) throw out all sorts of accusations of tampering and whatever, all from unnamed Korean or FAA 'experts'.

FAA and Korean authorities found that the boxes had indeed been opened by the Soviets, but the recordings were authentic. Had the Soviets - already long gone by the time of Yeltsin's visit to Korea - made fakes, they would have released them in 1983 when they could have done them some good.

The biggest argument against survivors is secrecy: nothing that big can stay underwraps very long, perhaps at most for a few days. I'm sure rescue007.org has lots of documentation and statements from Russian witnesses, back in the early 1990s you could pay any ex-Soviet general or scientist fifty bucks and get any interview you wanted: UFOs, paranormal phenomena, missing cosmonauts, whatever. Wallenberg skulls were going ten for a dollar back then.

I got suckered by these con-men more than once.

The worst part is that they can come up with tons of convincing evidence... until you actually read it.

[Freedom of Speech Wins]

Seem to remember that original newspaper reports in the week following 9/11 mentioning that the terrorists may have been going after more than 4 planes on 9/11.

Then we have Azmath and Khan and what looks like it could been a failed attempt.

Whatever the case the government official who came up with the idea of suspending flights at the time deserves credit.

Do we really even know that this Cleveland incident you describe didn't happen?

[rattrap]

Sounds to me like the typical confusion that results immediately after a major incident rather than some carefully orchestrated cover-up.

[wagglebee]

Yeah, that's pretty much my take on it.

[realpatriot]

Your link to TNI is back, but different, I think.

[rattrap]

I didn't even look at the souce, WorldNutDaily has taken the crazy ball and ran with it lately, they sound nutty even for WND.

[inquest]

The link to TNI's site is active, but the actual page on which Congressman MacDonald's statement was hosted is still not there.

When I first copied that information, the only two places listed by Google that hosted his testimony were TNI and my FR homepage. Now there's only one. I can only wonder if the TNI people caught wind of the fact that someone was using their own hosted information against them.

[struwwelpeter]

In 1991, 'Accuracy in Media' bet $100,000 that they could find survivors from KAL, and even added US POWs to their wish list:

$100,000 in 1991 Russia could have bought you Lenin's mausoleum. There were no takers, however.

Air Force Magazine online used to have in its archives for November, 1991, a great article on KAL. I'm too lazy to transcribe it, so I'll keep trying to see if there is a mirror somewhere.

Send me your email, and I'll send you the complete Izvestiya series on KAL.

[Rokke]

I thought this might interest you.

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

"No luggage or bodies were ever found at the alleged water crash site."

If that is true, I'd begin to wonder.

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

The KGB released a lot of info. Who knows what the future holds? But there isn't much to go on here. And Ron Brown was neck-deep in Chinagate. So, I don't have time to look into this very much. Sorry.

[MindBender26]

Was a TV network newsie for years. Wire service reports, even reports from out own guys on the ground can be wildly inaccurate, especially early in coverage.

Remember, book saying Russian shot down 747, 269 people STILL dead would sell many copies?

[TheFrog]

Here is what brought down those aircraft!

[Bert Schlossberg]

Here- http://www.rescue007.org/story.htm are the transcripts of the Stalk, Shootdown, Escape from Destruction, and Rescue Missions of KAL 007. These are the transcripts handed over by the Russian Federation after pressure from the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations- plus the US electronic intercepts of Major Gennadie Osipovich in his Sukhoi 15 interceptor

[Bert Schlossberg]

Just for a taste of the flavor of the transcripts mentioned above-

Gen. Strogov: (18:54)
Hello… Hello, Titovnin… You s... [obscenities] I’ll lock you up in the guard house. Why don’t you pick up the phone?

Titovnin:
Comrade General, everyone was busy here.

Strogov:
You have nothing there to be busy with. Busy! What kind of nonsense is that? So, where is Kornukov?

Titovnin:
Kornukov is here.

Strogov:
Put him on the phone.

Titovnin:
One minute. He is reporting to Kamenski, Comrade General.

Here is clear evidence that the shoot-down of KAL 007 and the rescue of its passengers were not decisions made by local commanders but emanated from the highest echelons of the Soviet military.

Strogov: (18:55)
So, what you need to do now. Contact these ... [obscenities], these sailors, these, what do you ... [obscenities]?

Titovnin:
Border guards?

Strogov:
Huh?

Titovnin:
Border guards?

Strogov:
Well, the civilian sailors.

Titovnin:
Understood.

Strogov:
The border guards. What ships do we now have near Moneron Island, if they are civilians, send [them] there immediately.

Note the consistency of Strogov’s site identification with Kornukov’s. Both generals simply specify it as “Moneron.” Ships that are already “near Moneron” are sent to Moneron itself. This transcript puts the lie to the Soviet claims, from Day One and on, that they did not know where the plane went down, as well as exposing the Soviet deception in staging their search and rescue operations in various parts of international waters. Among the first proponents of this lie was Marshal Nicolay Ogarkov, U.S.S.R. Chief of General Staff, when he stated on September 9, 1983, at a press conference, "We could not give the precise answer about the spot where it [KAL 007] fell because we ourselves did not know the spot in the first place." The United States (and the rest of the world for the matter) had been effectively and tragically duped! For an account of how the Soviets duped the U.S., click here.