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What about the passengers of KAL Flight 007?
WorldNetDaily ^ | 7/22/05 | Devvy Kidd

Posted on 07/23/2005 3:47:46 PM PDT by wagglebee

Jack Cashill, James Sanders and so many other dedicated Americans have worked tirelessly to expose the cover up of the downing of TWA Flight 800, which was blown out of the sky on July 17, 1996. But what about KAL Flight 007, which was forced to land on Sept. 1, 1983? KAL Flight 007 was allegedly shot down by the Ruskies with all 269 civilians perishing, including Congressman Larry McDonald.

I have done extensive research on this "incident" and there can be no other conclusion than it's an ugly cover-up, just like TWA Flight 800.

According to introductory comments in the book, "Incident at Sakhalin,"

As a result of more than 10 years of research, Michel Brun reveals the truth, which at least four governments have colluded to conceal. "Incident at Sakhalin" not only demolishes the official story of a lone civilian airliner flying innocently off course, it does much more. The book establishes that as the Korean Boeing 747 approached the Russian island of Sakhalin, so too did a number of U.S. military and reconnaissance aircraft in an ill-conceived intelligence and provocation operation that turned into a two-hour battle in which 30 or more U.S. Air Force and Navy personnel were killed and 10 or more U.S. aircraft were shot down.

The families of the survivors of KAL 007 have been fighting to bring forth the truth on this cover up for decades and get their family members back from the Ruskies. They get absolutely zero attention from "major" media, and that includes cable. One memo that was unearthed reads: Sen. Jesse Helms to Boris Yeltsin – Dec. 10, 1991: "The KAL 007 tragedy was one of the most tense incidents of the entire Cold War ... Please provide a detailed list of the camps containing live passengers and crew, together with a map showing their location."

Immediately following the incident, initial media reports all carried the truth:

SEOUL, South Korea (UPI) – A Korean Air Lines jumbo jet flying from New York to Seoul Wednesday with 269 people aboard, including a U.S. Congressman, was forced to land on Sakhalin, a Soviet-occupied island north of Japan, the government-run television said. The passengers were reported safe. Among them was Rep. Larry McDonald ... KAL Vice President Cho Choong-keun said he was told the plane landed safely. Cho said. "I cannot tell how the plane came to land on Sakhalin ... About 100 friends and relatives of passengers waiting at Kimpo were stunned at the report of the missing plane, but cheered and applauded when the landing at Sakhalin was announced.

Do you really think that the vice president of Korean Air Lines, Choong-keun, just hopped a plane to go negotiate for the return of the passengers if he had not been informed that there were live passengers to retrieve? Come on. You can bet a number of people were notified that the plane set down either on Sakhalin or right off shore, the passengers were alive and it was time for tea and talk. Remember Mr. Choong-keun's statement: "I cannot tell how the plane came to land on Sakhalin ..." In his own mind, he was positive the plane had landed and he was on his way to negotiate for the return of the passengers. Do you think Mr. Choong-keun became the vice president of an airline company because he's stupid?

The New York Times reported on Sept. 1, 1983:

TOKYO, Thursday, Sept. 1 – A South Korean airliner with 269 people aboard disappeared this morning near the Soviet island of Sakhalin ... had been forced down by Soviet Air Force planes and that all 240 passengers and 29 crew members were believed to be safe. Sakhalin, where the plane was believed to have been forced down, is an island off the coast of Siberia.

However, almost two full days later, we read, the New York Times, Sept. 2, 1983: "SANTA BARBARA, Calif., Sept. 1 – President Reagan expressed revulsion today at the reported downing of a Korean Air Lines plane off the Soviet Coast."

Let's read that sentence again: President Reagan expressed revulsion today at the reported downing of a Korean Air Lines plane off the Soviet Coast.

Are we to believe that Ronald Reagan expressed revulsion over something that is "reported" to have happened? Are we to believe that with all the sophisticated equipment this nation has funded – from planes to encryption devices, and everything in the arsenal of the National Security Agency and Department Of Defense – that Reagan reacted with intense outrage over something that has only been "reported"? We're to believe that the president of the United States of America didn't really know what happened? Perhaps we should ask Jesse Helms. His office did a very quiet multi-year investigation and he knows the truth.

No luggage or bodies were ever found at the alleged water crash site. The families are still trying to get their loved ones released by our "good friend," Vlad Putin. There is no doubt in my mind that Ronald Reagan, former Secretary of State George Schulz and former Sen. Jesse Helms all know the truth. Sixty-two Americans and the other passengers were sacrificed for the sake of political expediency. I hope you will take the time to read the research, because as far as I'm concerned, just like TWA Flight 800 – if you get in the way of the agenda, you're expendable.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: coldwar; conspiracy; kal007; manongrassyknoll; sovietunion; tinfoil; worldnutdaily
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This sounds like a basic tinfoil hat conspiracy theory, but there are some disturbing facts concerning the conflicting newswire accounts.
1 posted on 07/23/2005 3:47:47 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee

Because it's impossible to know what really happened, it's hard to draw any useful conclusions or lessons. I'm guessing this is a waste of time to explore.


2 posted on 07/23/2005 3:50:43 PM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Mount Athos

I pretty much agree.


3 posted on 07/23/2005 3:51:20 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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SEOUL, South Korea (UPI) – A Korean Air Lines jumbo jet flying from New York to Seoul Wednesday with 269 people aboard, including a U.S. Congressman, was forced to land on Sakhalin, a Soviet-occupied island north of Japan, the government-run television said.

This guy is believing soviet TV?

4 posted on 07/23/2005 3:54:00 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: wagglebee
This sounds like a basic tinfoil hat conspiracy theory, but there are some disturbing facts concerning the conflicting newswire accounts.


What is so disturbing about that? On 9-11 ABC Radio news was reporting that a plane was sitting on the tarmac in Cleveland surrounded by police with terrorists on board. When Reagan was shot several new reports broadcast Brady was dead. During events like these news often gets misreported or garbled as various news groups rush to be "first" with the story. This conflicting newswire accounts happen all the time. What people need to keep in mind that is a whole industry that makes hundreds of millions of dollars annually selling these kinds of stories to the Deranged Left and the Paranoid Right. I am really disappointed in World Net Daily. I thought they were better then this.
5 posted on 07/23/2005 3:54:54 PM PDT by MNJohnnie ( Iraq is a Terrorist bug hotel, Terrorists go in, they do not come out.)
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To: wagglebee

i'm tired of conspiracies that go no where.


6 posted on 07/23/2005 3:55:17 PM PDT by ken21 (it takes a village to brainwash your child + to steal your property! /s)
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...including Congressman Larry McDonald.

Who just happened to be one of the most outspoken anti-Communist members of Congress. See my profile page.

7 posted on 07/23/2005 3:56:09 PM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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Mount Athos said: "I'm guessing this is a waste of time to explore."

Probably.

I can see that the expression "forced down over Sakhalin" might suggest to some that the plane was forced to land but the words are also consistent with "shot out of the sky". The optimists among us might assume one thing and the pessimists another.

8 posted on 07/23/2005 3:59:22 PM PDT by William Tell
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Many of them are going to "go no where", at least for a while, because that's the nature of conspiracies. If one person could just point to an obvious fact that would unravel them, then the conspirators didn't do a very good job of conspiring. It takes a little patience to get at the truth sometimes, with only one little piece of the puzzle uncovered at a time. This is definitely not a task for someone seeking instant gratification.
9 posted on 07/23/2005 3:59:33 PM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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10 or more U.S. aircraft were shot down.

huh...huh...sure!

10 posted on 07/23/2005 3:59:40 PM PDT by Seeking the truth (0cents.com - Freep Stuff & Pajama Patrol Stuff)
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To: inquest

instant gratification has nothing to do with my complaint.


11 posted on 07/23/2005 4:01:37 PM PDT by ken21 (it takes a village to brainwash your child + to steal your property! /s)
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The American ambassador to the UN played the interception by Soviet pilots and then the order for the shoot-down.

Only the USSR/Russia could have been so paranoid.
12 posted on 07/23/2005 4:02:54 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("It Is Better To Have Loved And Lost Than To Be Married To A Psycho For The Rest Of Your Life")
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I guess all that debris and bodies the Japanese and South Koreans pulled from the ocean was just dumped there for the TV cameras.

More WorldNutDaily tin foil hat BS.

13 posted on 07/23/2005 4:05:01 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Tom Tancredo- The Republican Party's Very Own Cynthia McKinney.)
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To: wagglebee

This doesn't pass the smell test. I'm willing to credit plenty of conspiracy theories that the MSM has covered up, such as TWA 800, OKC, Vince Foster, Ron Brown, POW-MIAs, etc., etc. But there wasn't a hint of any of this in any of the stories I have read about the incident, and Ronald Reagan was no bill clinton or Jimmy Carter. He would not have hesitated to confront the Soviet Union if he knew they were secretly holding the plane's passengers prisoner.


15 posted on 07/23/2005 4:25:39 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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That was my first thought, Reagan would NEVER have just let something like this go.


16 posted on 07/23/2005 4:30:50 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

I smell a scripted conflict here...


17 posted on 07/23/2005 4:35:48 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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Allow me a brief recollection.....you maky find it of interest. The day after, ( Sunday) the KAL plane was shot down, my wife was flying to Minneapolis for a 4 day business trip..so I took her to the airport. She was flying Northwest, out of JFK...and KAL at that time rented gates in the NW terminal at Kennedy. Her plane left from the gate next to where the KAL 007 had debarked the night before..very surreal experience...


18 posted on 07/23/2005 4:42:47 PM PDT by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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This is complete BS - No truth to it whatsoever (at least in terms of what it is trying to suggest) - Suggesting 10 U.S. Aircraft were downed is beyond ridiculous, as is the notion Ronald Reagan would have sat by and allowed U.S prisoners to be taken -

Though there is a great segment of the population that just loves conspiracy stories -

19 posted on 07/23/2005 4:44:01 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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10 jets were shot down and wreckage was never found...
Well if the wreckage was never found, how do we know there weren't 200 of our jets shots down? Sounds to me like a massive coverup. Where IS the wreckage of 500 of our warplanes?
20 posted on 07/23/2005 5:00:26 PM PDT by The Brush
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