What about the passengers of KAL Flight 007?

WorldNetDaily ^ | 7/22/05 | Devvy Kidd

[struwwelpeter]

It's terrifying to contemplate what those poor guys were going through, no controls and a whale of an aircraft going tits up on them. If the aircraft broke apart, then the CVR probably lost power before impact. I hope the passengers and crew were unconscious at this point as well.

May God forgive LTC Osipovich and the blood-thirsty gangsters in charge of mankind's most awful endeavor - the Soviet Union.

[wagglebee]

It may not have been reported, but it also doesn't involve Reagan "backing down" to the Soviets. If, as you say, each side had similar losses, it would make sense to leave the matter alone.

[struwwelpeter]

A lot of fuss has been made about the CVR and FDR that Yeltsin turned over to Korea during a state visit 8 years after the shootdown.

Some of the more tin-foilish sites (like rescue007.org and apfn.net) throw out all sorts of accusations of tampering and whatever, all from unnamed Korean or FAA 'experts'.

FAA and Korean authorities found that the boxes had indeed been opened by the Soviets, but the recordings were authentic. Had the Soviets - already long gone by the time of Yeltsin's visit to Korea - made fakes, they would have released them in 1983 when they could have done them some good.

The biggest argument against survivors is secrecy: nothing that big can stay underwraps very long, perhaps at most for a few days. I'm sure rescue007.org has lots of documentation and statements from Russian witnesses, back in the early 1990s you could pay any ex-Soviet general or scientist fifty bucks and get any interview you wanted: UFOs, paranormal phenomena, missing cosmonauts, whatever. Wallenberg skulls were going ten for a dollar back then.

I got suckered by these con-men more than once.

The worst part is that they can come up with tons of convincing evidence... until you actually read it.

[Freedom of Speech Wins]

Seem to remember that original newspaper reports in the week following 9/11 mentioning that the terrorists may have been going after more than 4 planes on 9/11.

Then we have Azmath and Khan and what looks like it could been a failed attempt.

Whatever the case the government official who came up with the idea of suspending flights at the time deserves credit.

Do we really even know that this Cleveland incident you describe didn't happen?

[rattrap]

Sounds to me like the typical confusion that results immediately after a major incident rather than some carefully orchestrated cover-up.

[wagglebee]

Yeah, that's pretty much my take on it.

[realpatriot]

Your link to TNI is back, but different, I think.

[rattrap]

I didn't even look at the souce, WorldNutDaily has taken the crazy ball and ran with it lately, they sound nutty even for WND.

[inquest]

The link to TNI's site is active, but the actual page on which Congressman MacDonald's statement was hosted is still not there.

When I first copied that information, the only two places listed by Google that hosted his testimony were TNI and my FR homepage. Now there's only one. I can only wonder if the TNI people caught wind of the fact that someone was using their own hosted information against them.

[struwwelpeter]

In 1991, 'Accuracy in Media' bet $100,000 that they could find survivors from KAL, and even added US POWs to their wish list:

$100,000 in 1991 Russia could have bought you Lenin's mausoleum. There were no takers, however.

Air Force Magazine online used to have in its archives for November, 1991, a great article on KAL. I'm too lazy to transcribe it, so I'll keep trying to see if there is a mirror somewhere.

Send me your email, and I'll send you the complete Izvestiya series on KAL.

[Rokke]

I thought this might interest you.

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

"No luggage or bodies were ever found at the alleged water crash site."

If that is true, I'd begin to wonder.

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

The KGB released a lot of info. Who knows what the future holds? But there isn't much to go on here. And Ron Brown was neck-deep in Chinagate. So, I don't have time to look into this very much. Sorry.

[MindBender26]

Was a TV network newsie for years. Wire service reports, even reports from out own guys on the ground can be wildly inaccurate, especially early in coverage.

Remember, book saying Russian shot down 747, 269 people STILL dead would sell many copies?

[TheFrog]

Here is what brought down those aircraft!

[Bert Schlossberg]

Here- http://www.rescue007.org/story.htm are the transcripts of the Stalk, Shootdown, Escape from Destruction, and Rescue Missions of KAL 007. These are the transcripts handed over by the Russian Federation after pressure from the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations- plus the US electronic intercepts of Major Gennadie Osipovich in his Sukhoi 15 interceptor

[Bert Schlossberg]

Just for a taste of the flavor of the transcripts mentioned above-

Gen. Strogov: (18:54)
Hello… Hello, Titovnin… You s... [obscenities] I’ll lock you up in the guard house. Why don’t you pick up the phone?

Titovnin:
Comrade General, everyone was busy here.

Strogov:
You have nothing there to be busy with. Busy! What kind of nonsense is that? So, where is Kornukov?

Titovnin:
Kornukov is here.

Strogov:
Put him on the phone.

Titovnin:
One minute. He is reporting to Kamenski, Comrade General.

Here is clear evidence that the shoot-down of KAL 007 and the rescue of its passengers were not decisions made by local commanders but emanated from the highest echelons of the Soviet military.

Strogov: (18:55)
So, what you need to do now. Contact these ... [obscenities], these sailors, these, what do you ... [obscenities]?

Titovnin:
Border guards?

Strogov:
Huh?

Titovnin:
Border guards?

Strogov:
Well, the civilian sailors.

Titovnin:
Understood.

Strogov:
The border guards. What ships do we now have near Moneron Island, if they are civilians, send [them] there immediately.

Note the consistency of Strogov’s site identification with Kornukov’s. Both generals simply specify it as “Moneron.” Ships that are already “near Moneron” are sent to Moneron itself. This transcript puts the lie to the Soviet claims, from Day One and on, that they did not know where the plane went down, as well as exposing the Soviet deception in staging their search and rescue operations in various parts of international waters. Among the first proponents of this lie was Marshal Nicolay Ogarkov, U.S.S.R. Chief of General Staff, when he stated on September 9, 1983, at a press conference, "We could not give the precise answer about the spot where it [KAL 007] fell because we ourselves did not know the spot in the first place." The United States (and the rest of the world for the matter) had been effectively and tragically duped! For an account of how the Soviets duped the U.S., click here.