Posted on 07/23/2005 1:04:54 PM PDT by SheLion
Eateries say smoking ban hurts
Businesses harmed by the smoking ban across the United States:
(click on images to read The Facts)
Read what IL smokers contribute to the economy. Yet, the state wants to ban smokers! The lawmakers should be thanking them!!
Maybe we are making a difference!
""Philosophically, I think it's an overstep," Ardis said. "I hate to see government go that direction. I hate to see it given that authority to regulate an area or a behavior that's not illegal."
Kathy Drea of the American Lung Association of Illinois is quite upset. LOL! She just SWEARS he said he would SUPPORT it. haha!
What's this? A politician who actually legislates based on facts and economic impact? What the hell kind of Socialist utopia is this, anyway???
We sure don't have the big funds that the anti-smoking lobby has, so we have to try to reason with the lawmakers to show them that smoking bans in a private business is choking the economy.
2nd time I've been tempted to wax optimistic today, but I think so!
One can only hope that! However, I see these lovely quotes from the American Cancer Society guy and the others as trying to apply pressure to the governor "to keep his word", so to speak.
Perhaps they think that if they keep saying "He said he supported it!" in public often enough that he'll feel the need to back it up with action favorable to them.
I also liked the comment about how statistically 78% of the population are non-smokers. I'd like to know how he came up with that number (his source), though I don't think he's far off. That being said, just because one is a non-smoker doesn't mean that that someone will automatically support these bans. I think it's pretty stupid to think so, anyway.
Big mistake. This is war. You can't negotiate with terrorists. I like slamming the idea of slamming them with the adverse economic impact. If they were prone to listening to reason, these bans would never make it past the discussion stage.
In Illinois, you may soon need a license for CCT (concealed carry of tobacco).
Yarbrough said the legislation is first and foremost about letting communities make their own decisions about smoking.
"People call this the anti-smoking bill. That's not what it is," she said.
I also liked the comment about how statistically 78% of the population are non-smokers. I'd like to know how he came up with that number (his source), though I don't think he's far off.
Politicians must be born with a 'nanny' gene which makes them feel compelled to control every facet of everyone's life. If smoking in public is truly a problem, then the public will take care of it WITHOUT THE HELP OF THE NANNIES. We don't need a law to permit smoking bans. Private businesses can prohibit smoking in their establishment IF THEY WANT TO. It's called private property rights. Tobacco is NOT ILLEGAL. If a waitress is opposed to second hand smoke SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO WORK THERE. If patrons object to second hand smoke THEY DON'T HAVE TO EAT THERE. Patrons who enjoy a cigarette after dinner DON'T HAVE TO PATRONIZE A NON-SMOKING RESTAURANT. This isn't rocket science.
We have been round and round with some "FReepers" in here about just what you have said.
But the anti-smoking FReepers tell us that our rights end at their nose and they are all for smoking bans. We try to point out that it should be left up to the business owners and NOT big government. But, since these anti-smoking FReepers can't stand smoking and/or smokers, they think that this government intrusion into our lives is just peachy.
They have no clue about the loss of jobs. Loss of revenue and the closures. Also, the trickle down effect to include vendors that deliver supplies to the business. When a business has to cut back, the owner no longer needs so much in supplies.
But the anti-smoking FReepers still think this is a wonderful thing.
It's hard to win with our own kind against us.
Wow, I didn't know about those articles. Sheds some intersting light on the subject, that's for sure.
Then again, it's not a big surprise that these folks would use questionable statistics, polls, ect to advance their agenda. I just feel a bit foolish (lol) for just accepting that the 25% figure was correct.
Thanks for the info!
Blagojevich said he's "carefully" weighing concerns about public health against the effect on local economies if he lets city governments outlaw smoking at bars and restaurants.
Oh he really needs to sign this into law! Because we are just to dumb to stay out of places that allow smoking. And owners of bars & restaurants are out to kill their customers, that's why they all demand their customers smoke.
That's what I keep telling people. It's all about control.
"We sure don't have the big funds that the anti-smoking lobby has, so we have to try to reason with the lawmakers to show them that smoking bans in a private business is choking the economy."
Thanks for your work. I don't smoke-- never have, never will-- but I find the intrusion into our personal lives and the economic effect it has on private business owners reprehensible.
That's all we want to do in here. Make the general non-smoking FReepers realize what is going on. How the war on smokers (their fellow FReepers) has turned into a demon project.
If the government wanted state free of smoking, you KNOW they would ban all tobacco products. They won't and haven't. What does that tell you?
The lawmakers think they have found willing patsy's to ban, control and restrict. Some how someway we have to turn the tides on the state government.
A major loss of revenue will be the proliferation of private clubs. Restaurants which now pay taxes will become nonprofit private clubs. This will be a boon for Elks, Eagles, VFW, Moose clubs, etc., etc. whose memberships have been declining in recent years. Once the nannies figure this out they will no doubt pass legislation restricting private clubs, and the cat and mouse game will continue. The bureaucracy will always be with us.
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