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Posted on 07/21/2005 8:55:11 PM PDT by traumer
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To: GSlob
Maybe it already is...? (acetone spiked by heavy metals)
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posted on
07/21/2005 9:29:58 PM PDT
by
goodnesswins
(Our military......the world's HEROES!)
To: traumer
I think this was a batch made by the chemist who's in Egypt. These guys just didn't know it would degrade. They intended to be suicide bombers and they intended to kill hundreds.
The only thing that stopped them was the hand of God and their own stupidity.
To: jocon307
unlikely that all 4 bombs would fail to detonate.Bad mixture to begin with?
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posted on
07/21/2005 9:33:49 PM PDT
by
pbear8
(Prime Choice is back!!!!!!!)
To: Prince Caspian
Exactly. Divine intervention is all around us. Atleast 52 ex-Londoners might have trouble believing that ;) (unless they are willing to believe that the "infinitely benevolent supreme being" wanted them dead).
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posted on
07/21/2005 9:37:23 PM PDT
by
Analog Artist
(My thoughts are like silvery liquid metal floating through infinite white space in zero gravity..)
To: goodnesswins
Then the material for the first bombs on July 7 would be either not makeable at all or would blow up during handling.
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posted on
07/21/2005 9:41:08 PM PDT
by
GSlob
To: Countyline
Doubtful it was a brag. Multiple witnesses saw the erstwhile suicide bombers backpacks explode - and then the fools ran away trailing wires, which I assume were for the detonators on their bodies. Kind of comical if you think about it.
So the bombers did intend to do something other than look silly.
Its beginning to sound a lot like a batch problem.
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posted on
07/21/2005 9:42:23 PM PDT
by
buwaya
To: plushaye
Yep, I kept telling God that America was worth saving in this last election. I told him I remembered that if there were 50 people worth saving, he'd do it. It sure does seem like the World is one great big Sodom and Gomorrah these days. That's why it's up to us to prove that there's those of us worth saving. We really need to live his word and be the best people we can be, and be examples to others --- raise the bar --- be an inspiration ---stand up for what is right and just, and for those who can't stand up for themselves. I think God is really proud of the liberation of 50 million people!
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posted on
07/21/2005 9:42:25 PM PDT
by
NordP
(Keeping America Great - Karl Rove / Jack Bauer in 2008 !)
To: The Plumbers Curse
Yep, if we do the "right things for the right reasons" nothing but the best will follow.
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posted on
07/21/2005 9:43:39 PM PDT
by
NordP
(Keeping America Great - Karl Rove / Jack Bauer in 2008 !)
To: McGavin999
Agree with you premise. I have heard that bomb material degrades over time, e.g., our own nuclear supply. I sincerely regret that the Egyptian government allowed the chemist to go free. Undoubtedly, more people will lose life and limb because of it.
To: All
That's why I find it curious that they haven't stated one way or the other what was found. It would seem obvious after examining the packs.
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posted on
07/21/2005 10:03:16 PM PDT
by
Riverine
Expect another attack. Soon.
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posted on
07/21/2005 10:38:25 PM PDT
by
TheDon
(The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
To: traumer
Even the best detonator can fail. In an attempt to assasinate Hitler a wine bottle full of explosive was placed aboard his plane and a high quality British detonator was used. It failed to go off and later examination showed that the timer worked, but the primer failed to fire.
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posted on
07/21/2005 10:39:48 PM PDT
by
Ruy Dias de Bivar
(Islam, the religion of the criminally insane.)
To: GSlob
Maybe the heavy metals would make it more difficult. But one would simply have to re-purify the acetone and remove the metals. Better to spike it also with porcine impurities that are not as easy to remove.
To: NordP
Yes, let us turn to God
Love the LORD our God with all our heart, all our mind, all our soul and all our strength ....
And to love our neighbor as ourself ...
And to be obedient to His commands...
To be repentant of our sins and to surrender our life to Jesus ...
To receive Jesus Christ into our hearts and to love Him
and believe on Him
This so simple and true ... it is what His Word tells us to do and if we do it we are forgiven of our sins ... become His children and inherit eternal life ...
To bless and curse not ... To have Faith in Him ...
Of all Sodom and Gomorrah only Lot and his family were saved
In Noah's time only eight souls (Noah and his family were saved)
God is not mocked ...
Let us bow down and cry for mercy and forgiveness
Draw close to God and God will draw close to us.
To: NonValueAdded
Assuming a single cell of terrorists, I can't understand why everyone discounts a failure of all of the devices. Isn't the main bomb maker in custody or hiding now? How hard would it be for the "b" team to mess up the recipe? One mistake and all the bombs are fizzles. what about the possibility of your 'b' team using leftovers rather than making up a new batch since they didn't have their chemist? that would certainly explain the malfunction. 2 weeks+ would cause great deterioration. most bombers probably wouldn't even know that unless their chemist explained it. also.. possibility of simply trying to get rid of leftovers before the bobbies got to them?
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posted on
07/22/2005 6:05:09 AM PDT
by
absolootezer0
("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
To: Analog Artist
Atleast 52 ex-Londoners might have trouble believing that ;) (unless they are willing to believe that the "infinitely benevolent supreme being" wanted them dead). God allows evil because he can bring greater good from it.
Evil
Is God the cause of evil?
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posted on
07/22/2005 6:18:33 AM PDT
by
Aquinasfan
(Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
To: GSlob
Maybe all (or almost all) acetone in UK (and in US, too) should henceforth be spiked by trace amounts of heavy metals One word: distillation
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posted on
07/22/2005 6:55:21 AM PDT
by
Oztrich Boy
(The Slytherin WAy: much underated.)
To: jocon307
"It is scary that someone pulled this off, that may be the actual "message".
True ...
To: Oztrich Boy
One needs only ppm's, and ppm's are not that easy to get rid of. And quality distillation equipment is available from limited number of suppliers and thus can be controlled. Actually, ATF people (A part) could be supposed to do that.
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posted on
07/22/2005 7:29:56 AM PDT
by
GSlob
To: GSlob
At first I thought the 7/7 bombers were duped. But the idea of the "suicide" policy is "Dead Men tells no tales". So look at the botched 7/21 bombings as a gift...not just dead men but lotsa forensic evidence. The "kill" policy might be just what the terrorists want.
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posted on
07/22/2005 9:23:48 AM PDT
by
Sacajaweau
(God Bless Our Troops!!)
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