Posted on 07/21/2005 5:53:08 PM PDT by FraudFactor.com
According to KABC AM 790 radio news, a judge just removed Proposition 77, the Redistricting Reform/Anti-Gerrymandering Initiative, from the ballot for the California Special Election to be held on Tuesday, November 8, 2005. This is the Redistricting Reform measure supported by Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Proposition 77, the Redistricting Reform/Anti-Gerrymandering Initiative, was the single most important initiative on the ballot to reduce fraud, waste, and abuse by California state government.
The reason cited was a violation of the California Constitution by using two different versions of the initiative in the qualifying process. That is, two different versions of the initiative appeared on different signature petition forms used to gather signatures of registered voters.
This is a major blow to California voters and tax payers who need relief from the massive political corruption and waste of tax dollars resulting from safe, non-competitive gerrymandered election districts that result when the incumbent politicians redraw their election district boundary lines.
The outcomes of the general election for most of California's 80 State Assembly seats, 20 of the 40 State Senate seats, and 53 Congressional seats are determined by the Primary Election, before the General Election, due to gerrymandered election district boundary lines. Also, the Democrat majority party ensures itself an artificially large super-majority due to gerrymandering.
Thus, California has suffered election theft every two years for many decades, and all voters of all parties suffer from nonresponsive entrenched politicians who instead cater to lobbyists and other special interests.
Safe gerrymandered election districts have allowed the Democrat super-majority in the California Legislature to ignore the 63 percent of the voters who voted for Proposition 22, defining marriage to be between one man and one woman. The Democrats legislators have enacted multiple laws giving the rights and responsibilities of marriage to same sex "domestic partners".
The money and time spent to qualify the initiative is lost.
More information on Proposition 77 is available at:
More information on gerrymandering is available at:
The text of the initiative can be found at:Judge Removes Redistricting Reform Initiative from California Ballot
http://www.fraudfactor.com/#prop_77
http://www.fraudfactor.com/ffgerrymander.html
https://www.fairdistricts.com/Initiative_Text.asp
and:
http://ag.ca.gov/initiatives/pdf/sa2004rf0037_amdt_1_ns.pdf
You mean like in Florida?
You're kidding, right? FR is stocked with anti-Arnold folks. They're the "limtus test Republicans" who stay home when elections really matter. In terms of CA politics they're the Tom McClintock acolytes. He's a marginalized legislator who's accomplished next to nothing and not voted for any CA budget since 1989. We need to be practical and make small, steady strides here in California and stop making the Perfect the enemy of the Bad.
WTF was the campaign manager thimking? Even a newbie knows better on that.
WTF was I thinking by glancing over typos.....
That assumes it wasn't intentional so as to derail the effort precisely this way
Couldn't the judge have ruled upon the intent of the petitioners?
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Yes, but I have a feeling tHe Judge would have been 'crucified' by the media for being that 'progressive'.
I'm one of the ones worried that we would lose what few seats we had. how far off am I?
Unfortunately I don't think you are wrong. Although most people are busy with their divorces, their credit cards and what they will buy, switching channels/movies, microbeers and sensimilla, etc etc. As well as the ordinary business of staying alive at the current level of existence.
Busy busy.
Boy I wish. A lot of people worked very hard on this, and the petitions got 951,000+ signatures.
Hey dude! You're hopeless!! The quote is: "stop making the perfect the enemy of the good!" I never really understood just how totally confused you were till I read that last reply. How sad!!!
Parental notification for minors having abortions is on the ballot and unrelated to anything Arnold is doing. That alone will affect turnout in a huge way.
"Is there anything left on the Nov. ballot to vote for?"
There are other important initiatives to vote for and against. Take a look at FraudFactor.com:
http://www.fraudfactor.com/#election_alert
This is a Special Election, and there will not be any legislative seats on the ballot except possibly to fill vacancies.
For example, the 53rd Assembly District in Southern California, which runs along the coast approximately from Venice to Rancho Palos Verdes or Long Beach, is vacant because Democrat Assemblyman Mike Gordon recently died of a brain tumor.
Could one of the versions be an unauthorized plant?
If so, then anyone could stop an initiative by collecting signatures on an unauthorized version of the initiative.
Can the ruling be appealed?
What an absolutely bonehead move by the initiative developers. All that time, energy, and money absolutely wasted. Two reform initiatives gone. The few remaining will be even bigger targets now. Even if this initiative stayed, it would have been tainted by this scandal. Pathetic.
I'm just disappointed that merit based pay for teachers got chopped. And now with the redistricting kaput, I feel that Arnold is getting chopped off at the knees and so are we. Parental Notification had escaped my memory. I hope nobody can change the ballot on that one.
"Also it probably would not have mattered how precise this initiative was written the unlawful courts would have blocked it anyway because how dare citizens challenge the system."
You are correct.
In the past, the corrupt Democrat politicians have used the following scheme to remove political reform voter initiatives from the California ballot:
They sue to remove an initiative from the ballot, falsely claiming that it is "an initiative measure embracing more than one subject" and therefore violates Article 2 Section 8(d) of the California Constitution:
CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 2 VOTING, INITIATIVE AND REFERENDUM, AND RECALL
SEC. 8. (d) An initiative measure embracing more than one subject may not be submitted to the electors or have any effect.
The Democrats go judge-shopping for leftist activists judges who are willing and enthusiastic accomplices.
The Democrats used this scheme in the past to remove a Political Reform or Redistricting Reform initiative from the ballot that addressed two or more related aspects of political reform.
On the other hand, the Democrats place initiative measures on the ballot that clearly address multiple unrelated subjects and they get away with it. These Democrat initiatives are often raids against the public treasury and mad shopping sprees for various left wing issues.
Most initiatives address multiple aspects of a single subject, and therefore are vulnerable to this Democrat scheme.
"Could one of the versions be an unauthorized plant?"
I doubt one of the versions is an unauthorized plant, but if that is the case, I think it would have to be an inside job, either at the initiative proponents' headquarters, or at the Attorney General's office.
"If so, then anyone could stop an initiative by collecting signatures on an unauthorized version of the initiative."
Correct, but this would be illegal and risky. It would fall into the "dirty trick" category.
Another dirty trick sometimes used by the Democrats is to encourage their supporters to sign as many petitions as possible using false names and addresses. This can sabotage the signature gathering process and make it appear that enough signatures have been collected when there is a deficiency.
Petition pre-qualification is used to defeat this form of sabotage, by verifying all signatures against a database of registered voters and determining the number of valid signatures before turning in the petitions. This costs extra time and money, but is necessary for a successful signature gathering effort.
Remember, the leftists will violate the law and do as they please, including stealing elections, to gain political power so they can abuse it. This is consistent with their ideology. Conservatives tend to follow the law and avoid dirty tricks because upholding the rule of law and adhering to a code of moral conduct is consistent with their ideology.
Also, the Democrats tend to engage in much more corruption than the Republicans because most news organizations are made up of leftists who actively cover up Democrat scandals while inventing and exaggerating Republican scandals.
"Can the ruling be appealed?"
The backers of the Redistricting Reform Initiative have said they will appeal the judge's decision.
Usually judges are reluctant to interfere in an election in a way that will prevent the voters from enjoying their right to vote. Remember, the signatures on the petition forms do not get the initiative enacted into law. They only give the voters a change to vote on whether the initiative becomes law.
"SECOND most important, imho. The paycheck protection act would finally demand unions get explicit permission before stealing money from their members for their radical political agendas."
I agree. The SECOND MOST IMPORTANT initiative is Proposition 75, the Paycheck Protection Initiative, to require written permission from union members before the union can deduct political campaign contributions from their pay checks.
Take a look at:
http://www.fraudfactor.com/index.html#election_alert
http://www.fraudfactor.com/index.html#prop_75
Also, there are TWO SOCIALIZED MEDICINE FOR DRUGS initiatives on the ballot, Proposition 78 and Proposition 79.
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