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Hugh Hewitt on the The Tancredo Blunder
HughHewitt.com ^ | 07/18/2005 Posted at 5:40 PM, Pacific | Hugh Hewitt

Posted on 07/18/2005 10:58:49 PM PDT by Checkers

The Tancredo Blunder

Donald Sensing has all the links that really matter on the Tancredo blunder. (HT: StonesCryOut.) Pastor Sensing notes that I corrected the first post to specifically note that Congressman Tancredo talked of "bombing" Mecca, not "nuking" Mecca. The actual audio is available to anyone now at the website for WFLA 540 in Orlando. Note two things. First, Congressman Tancredo said that if we determined that "extremist fundamentalist Muslims" attacked the U.S. with nukes, then we should bomb Mecca. Why, he should be asked, if "extremist fundamentalist" Muslims are guilty would we declare war on all Muslims? Why make the distinction about "extremist, fundamentalist" Muslims if the distinction doesn't matter in our response. Second, the Congressman also said "the most draconian measures" should be on the table." He didn't say "nuke," but it is a fair inference.

Tancredo is no doubt being inundated with "Stand tall Tom!" calls and e-mails from the anti-Islam crowd. This is a fringe opinion, but its supporters are not afraid of voicing it, much like the pro-Durbin remarks crowd on the left fringe urged Durbin to stand tall when he compared the American military to Nazis and Pol Pot's killers. This creates a problem for Tancredo: He will offend this very loud portion of his support by regretting and retracting his remarks which he surely must do, and the sooner the better.

The remarks he made are a positive disservice to the United States, for all the reasons Durbin's were. He has to retract them. And he ought to apologize to every Muslim soldier, sailor, airman and Marine for suggesting that the way to respond to an attack on America is to attack their faith.

I have been hearing from people who urge that Tancredo is just voicing the updated version of the MAD doctrine which kept the USSR at bay through the long years of the Cold War. That's silly. Destroying Mecca wouldn't destroy Islam. It would enrage and unify Islam across every country in the world where Muslims lived.

Let me be blunt: There is no strategic value to bombing Mecca even after a devastating attack on the U.S. In fact, such an action would be a strategic blunder without historical parallel, except perhaps Hitler's attack on Stalin. Anyone defending Tancredo's remarks has got to make a case for why such a bombing would be effective.

Take down the Syrian regime? You bet. Replace the House of Saud? Fine. Bomb every nuclear facility in Tehran? Absolutely. The US would respond to a savage attack with fury --but purposeful fury. Bombing Mecca would be the opposite of purposeful fury.

Those who support him have to explain what the strategic value of such a response would be. There is none.

UPDATE: More at CaptainsQuarters, RovingTheologian OneClearCall, OpaqueLucidity Brainster's Bogus Gold and Mark Daniels.

I want to be very clear on this. No responsible American can endorse the idea that the U.S. is in a war with Islam. That is repugnant and wrong, and bloggers and writers and would-be bloggers and writers have to chose sides on this, especially if you are a center-right blogger. The idea that all of Islam is the problem is a fringe opinion. It cannot be welcomed into mainstream thought because it is factually wrong. If Tancredo's blunder does not offend you, then you do not understand the GWOT. Yoni Tidi is a frequent and popular guest on my program, a deeply religious Jew and a retired major from the Israeli security services. On the program tonight he condemned the idea of attacking Mecca or any other target that is "Muslim" as opposed to "terrorist-supporting." We are not in a war with devout Muslims. We are in a war with Muslims who think that their faith compels them to kill non-believers and the nations that support those extremists.

A SCOTUS nomination will sweep Congressman Tancredo's remarks from the headlines, but I hope center-right bloggers will stand up and be counted on this issue. And I really hope that Congressman Tancredo, a fundamentally good man, will appear and regret his comments in unequivocal terms. Congressman Tancredo has seen the aftermath of Islamist terrorism up close when he visited Beslan. He knows the cost of encouraging such violence. I believe he will want to make clear that the vast majority of Muslims do not support that kind of butchery.


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To: Siobhan

I like your profile page.


141 posted on 07/19/2005 1:56:51 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Checkers
I don't agree with Hugh on this one. If this country is destroyed by Islamic terrorists... Islam MUST cease to exist. Perhaps that too strong language but I'm not concerned about the fallout of my remarks. Moderate Muslims should do everything they can to stop the extremists among them from doing the unthinkable. Or the unthinkable may well happen to them. Tom Tancredo understandably spoke of a doomsday measure of final resort. I pray it never comes to that but it would be completely foolish to foreclose the Samson Option. Even Hugh knows that and I think where Tom blundered was in allowing the Left and our Islamofascist enemy to paint us as anti-Muslim. While we're not at war Islam, the truth is in this battle, moderate Muslims have a responsibility to make sure their religion is still around by taking on their radicals and reforming it to live in the modern world. 'Nuff said.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
142 posted on 07/19/2005 2:06:46 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Checkers

Luckily for Tom, as long as the Plame thing is going on, the press does not pay attention to anything else. This is the beauty of Rove's involvement.


143 posted on 07/19/2005 3:58:11 AM PDT by NathanBookman
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To: taxesareforever
Nuking Mecca sounds good to me.

Can I go on the mission?

144 posted on 07/19/2005 5:04:34 AM PDT by austinite
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To: BigSkyFreeper
OBL is not a "true believer", he is one who has hijacked an otherwise legitimate religion just for his own perverse advancement.

"True believer" or not, he and his minions are the roots of this pestilence and the keys to exterminating it.

Why he, his training camps, and the Jihadist schools have not long since been annihilated is beyond my ken.

You'll have to ask Mr. Stangegov for that answer.

145 posted on 07/19/2005 5:15:36 AM PDT by iconoclast (If you only read ONE book this year, make sure it's Colonel David Hunt's !!!)
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To: Checkers

i'm in favor of paving over mecca and making it a racetrack or something.


146 posted on 07/19/2005 5:17:25 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (In Honor of Terri Schiavo. *check my FReeppage for the link* Let it load and have the sound on.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
Muslims I've talked to believe Jesus to be Divine

There must be some unusual Muslims in Montana.

The Muslims I've talked to will allow that He is a prophet.

147 posted on 07/19/2005 5:21:58 AM PDT by iconoclast (If you only read ONE book this year, make sure it's Colonel David Hunt's !!!)
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To: Sir Gawain

"We are at war with the true believers of Islam."

So when are you going to do your part to win this war you claim's going on?


148 posted on 07/19/2005 5:27:17 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse
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To: Checkers
A SCOTUS nomination will sweep Congressman Tancredo's remarks from the headlines, but I hope center-right bloggers will stand up and be counted on this issue.

It amuses the hell out of me to see people still claiming that Hewitt is even remotely conservative.

149 posted on 07/19/2005 7:30:55 AM PDT by jmc813 ("Small-government conservative" is a redundancy, and "compassionate conservative" is an oxymoron.)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
So when are you going to do your part to win this war you claim's going on?

Funny how you sound just like the posters on Democratic Underground who say the same thing about all conservatives and the Iraq war. Why aren't you over in Iraq if you support the war effort? As soon as you answer that, I'll answer your question.

150 posted on 07/19/2005 7:37:58 AM PDT by Sir Gawain (When in doubt, cite the Commerce Clause)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
Also, it's not a war I claim is going on. The war is on, regardless of the sugar coated "hijacked our peaceful religion" BS that you seem to believe. If you read my previous link, your line of thinking will be corrected. That's a guarantee.
151 posted on 07/19/2005 7:45:51 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: jaykay

my thoughts as well


152 posted on 07/19/2005 8:00:46 AM PDT by wardaddy (i love my new discounted GMC dually......proud flyoverlander.....bonnie blue out front!)
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To: Sir Gawain

"Again, whether Kennedy said something or not, the impact is zero. The terrorists have plenty of propaganda available already that seems to be doing the job of recruitment just fine."

So you had no problem with what Dick Durbin said?



153 posted on 07/19/2005 8:10:33 AM PDT by Checkers
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To: jayhorn; Sir Gawain; saradippity; CitizenUSA; Checkers; VietVet; agincourt1415; Siobhan
Like it or not, we are at war with a radical religion, not a country or state. The headquarters is Mecca, and the radical Islamists do in fact pray to Mecca, 5 times per day. They don't pray towards heaven.

Somewhere in the Pentagon, you can damn well guarentee that this option of a small tactical nuke directly on that Moon Rock has been seriously discussed as an option to an Islamic nuclear attack:


"...lots of sentiment for nuking Mecca... Mecca seems extreme, of course, but then again few people would die and it would send a signal.'' ~ Rich Lowry, Senior Editor, The National Review, March 2002.

"It (Mecca) plays a central role in Muslim worship. Five times a day Muslims pray toward it. All Muslims who have the means are expected to make the Hajj--a pilgrimage to Mecca which revolves around the Kaaba stone.

The Kaaba stone is really the reason Mecca is considered holy. Muslims believe the site was used for worship as far back as Adam and that the shrine around the stone was first placed there by Abraham (Ibrahim). There is a 12 mile zone around the stone that infidels are restricted from entering. It's that holy. No non-Muslims near it. In fact, without Mecca and the Kaaba stone, Islam would be very different.

Islamist terrorists also consider Mecca the holiest place in the world. It is central to their mode of worship. They face it when they pray. They too believe they must make the hajj. If we take them at their word, then the reason they commit terrorist acts is because they take their religious convictions so seriously. When they kill us, it is because they believe that this is what their God wants them to do.

"There has been a rumor floating in the Washington ether for some time now that George Bush has figured out what Sword of Damocles is suspended over Osama bin Laden's head. It's whispered among Capitol Hill staffers on the intel and armed services committees; White House NSC (National Security Council) members clam up tight if you begin to hint at it; and State Department neo-cons love to give their liberal counterparts cardiac arrhythmia by elliptically conversing about it in their presence.

The whispers and hints and ellipses are getting louder now because the rumor explains the inexplicable: Why hasn't there been a repeat of 9-11? How can it be that after this unimaginable tragedy and Osama's constant threats of another, we have gone over three years without a single terrorist attack on American soil?"

Available only to subscribers of To the Point, Wheeler ends his column by explaining the effectiveness of the Mecca threat.

"Completely obliterating the terrorists' holiest of holies, rendering what is for them the world's most sacred spot a radioactive hole in the ground is retribution of biblical proportions – and those are the only proportions that will do the job.

"Osama would have laughed off such a threat, given his view that Americans are wussies who cut and run after a few losses, such as Lebanon in 1983 and Somalia in 1993. Part of Bush's rationale for invading Afghanistan and Iraq – obviously never expressed publicly – was to convince Osama that his threat to nuke Mecca was real. Osama hates America just as much as ever, but he is laughing no more." ~ Dr. Jack Wheeler; 'To the Point'

http://mightyrighty.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-353.html


A War Between Civilizations

The Koran sees the world as divided into two — one part which has come under Islamic rule and one part which is supposed to come under Islamic rule in the future. There is a division of the world which is very clear. Every single person who starts studying Islam knows it.

The world is described as Dar al-Islam (the house of Islam) — that's the place where Islam rules — and the other part which is called Dar al-Harb — the house of war. Not the "house of non-Muslims," but the "house of war." It is this house of war which as to be, at the end of time, conquered.

The world will continue to be in the house of war until it comes under Islamic rule." [snip]



154 posted on 07/19/2005 8:15:38 AM PDT by FBD
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To: Mo1

"You are either dense .. or just going off the cliff to defend Tancredo."

A distinction without a difference.


155 posted on 07/19/2005 8:15:41 AM PDT by Checkers
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

"I don't have time to wade through this whole thread but before I go I want to say that I agree with Hewitt. We have a lot of keyboard Rambos on FR so just let them have their fun. They are safe knowing no one is going to follow their silly advice."

Thank God they aren't in Congress or running for President.


156 posted on 07/19/2005 8:25:23 AM PDT by Checkers
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To: tkathy

"Every active Muslim worldwide is knowingly giving money for murder in the vast monetary network that is funding terrorism."

All 1 billion of them?


157 posted on 07/19/2005 8:28:00 AM PDT by Checkers
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To: Checkers
Checkers, if we would nuke a Russian Tank Division crossing into West Germany in the Cold War, why would we not respond with Nuclear Weapons if one of our cities was struck by a Nuke and it came from Islamic Terrorists?

Of course we have already threatened as a deterant, to hit rogue nations, and I would think we have already threatened Mecca, it is suggested that has stopped any Islamists from taking action in America.

Nuclear Weapons are on the table, and have been there since before I left Europe in the early 80s.

Tancredo was a definite Psyop Message that reached to Pakistan.

158 posted on 07/19/2005 8:43:58 AM PDT by agincourt1415 (4 More Years of NEW SHERIFF IN TOWN!)
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To: Checkers
So you had no problem with what Dick Durbin said?

Yes I had a problem with his comments, but it's apples and oranges when compared to Tancredo's. Durbin's comments hurt troop morale, nothing more. If anything, Tancredo's comments would boost troop morale.

159 posted on 07/19/2005 8:46:48 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: FBD
I am amazed at how many Americans, just not understanding Nuclear Deterance.

There is no excuse for Freepers not to know.

Thanks for posting this.

160 posted on 07/19/2005 8:47:31 AM PDT by agincourt1415 (4 More Years of NEW SHERIFF IN TOWN!)
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