Posted on 07/18/2005 10:58:49 PM PDT by Checkers
The Tancredo Blunder
Donald Sensing has all the links that really matter on the Tancredo blunder. (HT: StonesCryOut.) Pastor Sensing notes that I corrected the first post to specifically note that Congressman Tancredo talked of "bombing" Mecca, not "nuking" Mecca. The actual audio is available to anyone now at the website for WFLA 540 in Orlando. Note two things. First, Congressman Tancredo said that if we determined that "extremist fundamentalist Muslims" attacked the U.S. with nukes, then we should bomb Mecca. Why, he should be asked, if "extremist fundamentalist" Muslims are guilty would we declare war on all Muslims? Why make the distinction about "extremist, fundamentalist" Muslims if the distinction doesn't matter in our response. Second, the Congressman also said "the most draconian measures" should be on the table." He didn't say "nuke," but it is a fair inference.
Tancredo is no doubt being inundated with "Stand tall Tom!" calls and e-mails from the anti-Islam crowd. This is a fringe opinion, but its supporters are not afraid of voicing it, much like the pro-Durbin remarks crowd on the left fringe urged Durbin to stand tall when he compared the American military to Nazis and Pol Pot's killers. This creates a problem for Tancredo: He will offend this very loud portion of his support by regretting and retracting his remarks which he surely must do, and the sooner the better.
The remarks he made are a positive disservice to the United States, for all the reasons Durbin's were. He has to retract them. And he ought to apologize to every Muslim soldier, sailor, airman and Marine for suggesting that the way to respond to an attack on America is to attack their faith.
I have been hearing from people who urge that Tancredo is just voicing the updated version of the MAD doctrine which kept the USSR at bay through the long years of the Cold War. That's silly. Destroying Mecca wouldn't destroy Islam. It would enrage and unify Islam across every country in the world where Muslims lived.
Let me be blunt: There is no strategic value to bombing Mecca even after a devastating attack on the U.S. In fact, such an action would be a strategic blunder without historical parallel, except perhaps Hitler's attack on Stalin. Anyone defending Tancredo's remarks has got to make a case for why such a bombing would be effective.
Take down the Syrian regime? You bet. Replace the House of Saud? Fine. Bomb every nuclear facility in Tehran? Absolutely. The US would respond to a savage attack with fury --but purposeful fury. Bombing Mecca would be the opposite of purposeful fury.
Those who support him have to explain what the strategic value of such a response would be. There is none.
UPDATE: More at CaptainsQuarters, RovingTheologian OneClearCall, OpaqueLucidity Brainster's Bogus Gold and Mark Daniels.
I want to be very clear on this. No responsible American can endorse the idea that the U.S. is in a war with Islam. That is repugnant and wrong, and bloggers and writers and would-be bloggers and writers have to chose sides on this, especially if you are a center-right blogger. The idea that all of Islam is the problem is a fringe opinion. It cannot be welcomed into mainstream thought because it is factually wrong. If Tancredo's blunder does not offend you, then you do not understand the GWOT. Yoni Tidi is a frequent and popular guest on my program, a deeply religious Jew and a retired major from the Israeli security services. On the program tonight he condemned the idea of attacking Mecca or any other target that is "Muslim" as opposed to "terrorist-supporting." We are not in a war with devout Muslims. We are in a war with Muslims who think that their faith compels them to kill non-believers and the nations that support those extremists.
A SCOTUS nomination will sweep Congressman Tancredo's remarks from the headlines, but I hope center-right bloggers will stand up and be counted on this issue. And I really hope that Congressman Tancredo, a fundamentally good man, will appear and regret his comments in unequivocal terms. Congressman Tancredo has seen the aftermath of Islamist terrorism up close when he visited Beslan. He knows the cost of encouraging such violence. I believe he will want to make clear that the vast majority of Muslims do not support that kind of butchery.
I like your profile page.
(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
Luckily for Tom, as long as the Plame thing is going on, the press does not pay attention to anything else. This is the beauty of Rove's involvement.
Can I go on the mission?
"True believer" or not, he and his minions are the roots of this pestilence and the keys to exterminating it.
Why he, his training camps, and the Jihadist schools have not long since been annihilated is beyond my ken.
You'll have to ask Mr. Stangegov for that answer.
i'm in favor of paving over mecca and making it a racetrack or something.
There must be some unusual Muslims in Montana.
The Muslims I've talked to will allow that He is a prophet.
"We are at war with the true believers of Islam."
So when are you going to do your part to win this war you claim's going on?
It amuses the hell out of me to see people still claiming that Hewitt is even remotely conservative.
Funny how you sound just like the posters on Democratic Underground who say the same thing about all conservatives and the Iraq war. Why aren't you over in Iraq if you support the war effort? As soon as you answer that, I'll answer your question.
my thoughts as well
"Again, whether Kennedy said something or not, the impact is zero. The terrorists have plenty of propaganda available already that seems to be doing the job of recruitment just fine."
So you had no problem with what Dick Durbin said?
Somewhere in the Pentagon, you can damn well guarentee that this option of a small tactical nuke directly on that Moon Rock has been seriously discussed as an option to an Islamic nuclear attack:
"It (Mecca) plays a central role in Muslim worship. Five times a day Muslims pray toward it. All Muslims who have the means are expected to make the Hajj--a pilgrimage to Mecca which revolves around the Kaaba stone.
The Kaaba stone is really the reason Mecca is considered holy. Muslims believe the site was used for worship as far back as Adam and that the shrine around the stone was first placed there by Abraham (Ibrahim). There is a 12 mile zone around the stone that infidels are restricted from entering. It's that holy. No non-Muslims near it. In fact, without Mecca and the Kaaba stone, Islam would be very different.
Islamist terrorists also consider Mecca the holiest place in the world. It is central to their mode of worship. They face it when they pray. They too believe they must make the hajj. If we take them at their word, then the reason they commit terrorist acts is because they take their religious convictions so seriously. When they kill us, it is because they believe that this is what their God wants them to do.
"There has been a rumor floating in the Washington ether for some time now that George Bush has figured out what Sword of Damocles is suspended over Osama bin Laden's head. It's whispered among Capitol Hill staffers on the intel and armed services committees; White House NSC (National Security Council) members clam up tight if you begin to hint at it; and State Department neo-cons love to give their liberal counterparts cardiac arrhythmia by elliptically conversing about it in their presence.
The whispers and hints and ellipses are getting louder now because the rumor explains the inexplicable: Why hasn't there been a repeat of 9-11? How can it be that after this unimaginable tragedy and Osama's constant threats of another, we have gone over three years without a single terrorist attack on American soil?"
Available only to subscribers of To the Point, Wheeler ends his column by explaining the effectiveness of the Mecca threat.
"Completely obliterating the terrorists' holiest of holies, rendering what is for them the world's most sacred spot a radioactive hole in the ground is retribution of biblical proportions and those are the only proportions that will do the job.
"Osama would have laughed off such a threat, given his view that Americans are wussies who cut and run after a few losses, such as Lebanon in 1983 and Somalia in 1993. Part of Bush's rationale for invading Afghanistan and Iraq obviously never expressed publicly was to convince Osama that his threat to nuke Mecca was real. Osama hates America just as much as ever, but he is laughing no more." ~ Dr. Jack Wheeler; 'To the Point'
http://mightyrighty.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-353.html
The Koran sees the world as divided into two one part which has come under Islamic rule and one part which is supposed to come under Islamic rule in the future. There is a division of the world which is very clear. Every single person who starts studying Islam knows it.
The world is described as Dar al-Islam (the house of Islam) that's the place where Islam rules and the other part which is called Dar al-Harb the house of war. Not the "house of non-Muslims," but the "house of war." It is this house of war which as to be, at the end of time, conquered.
The world will continue to be in the house of war until it comes under Islamic rule." [snip]
"You are either dense .. or just going off the cliff to defend Tancredo."
A distinction without a difference.
"I don't have time to wade through this whole thread but before I go I want to say that I agree with Hewitt. We have a lot of keyboard Rambos on FR so just let them have their fun. They are safe knowing no one is going to follow their silly advice."
Thank God they aren't in Congress or running for President.
"Every active Muslim worldwide is knowingly giving money for murder in the vast monetary network that is funding terrorism."
All 1 billion of them?
Of course we have already threatened as a deterant, to hit rogue nations, and I would think we have already threatened Mecca, it is suggested that has stopped any Islamists from taking action in America.
Nuclear Weapons are on the table, and have been there since before I left Europe in the early 80s.
Tancredo was a definite Psyop Message that reached to Pakistan.
Yes I had a problem with his comments, but it's apples and oranges when compared to Tancredo's. Durbin's comments hurt troop morale, nothing more. If anything, Tancredo's comments would boost troop morale.
There is no excuse for Freepers not to know.
Thanks for posting this.
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