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To: Iwo Jima
The military did not lose the conflict in SE Asia. The government did.

We should not have been there in the first place.

56,000 dead. For nothing.

22 posted on 07/18/2005 8:08:26 PM PDT by zarf
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56,000 dead. For nothing.
I'm a 'Nam vet and for each one of my 56,000 fallen brothers I say f*ck you.
202 posted on 07/19/2005 7:01:09 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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It was a noble cause, and over 70% of Vietnam veterans (myself included) have said they were glad they served there even knowing how the war would end (over 80% of us are proud of our service). It accomplished a lot -- ask Lee Kwan Yu of Singapore who agrees.
Shame on you for besmirching the obituary of a great soldier.


227 posted on 07/19/2005 10:19:48 AM PDT by Viet Vet in Augusta GA
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You can thank John F Kennedy for our being there....and his fat sob brother Ted for making it political.


230 posted on 07/19/2005 10:36:43 AM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: zarf
56,000 dead. For nothing.

History has proven that statement idiotic. Our 10 year fight in Vietnam forced world communism to focus its resources in SE Asia. Had we simply allowed them to win in 1965, those same resources would have been spent making mischief in a dozen other places around the world.

If not for Vietnam, 1989 may never have happened.
233 posted on 07/19/2005 10:51:27 AM PDT by Antoninus (Benedictus qui venit in nomine Domini, Hosanna in excelsis!)
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56,000 dead. For nothing

*clack-CLACK*

Get Ready to Join 'em, Troll.

235 posted on 07/19/2005 11:00:53 AM PDT by ExcursionGuy84 ("I will Declare the Beauty of The LORD.")
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To: zarf
We should not have been there in the first place.

It is amazing to me that all these years later, we are still fighting John Kerry and the MSM disinformation machine about Viet Nam. As a Freeper, you should know better.

237 posted on 07/19/2005 11:32:58 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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We should not have been there in the first place. 56,000 dead. For nothing.

I disagree. We learned a vital and bloody lesson there and it was a time of recent history that can be pointed to when folks want to know what it's like to have a Democrat President in charge of a war effort. More can look to Somalia and Bosnia. But most important of all, the folks who were Second Lieutenants then are the Generals now and their solemn vow of NEVER AGAIN was well and truly manifested in Grenada, Panama, and both Gulf Wars. The fact that Gulf War #2 is going slowly reinforces the drawback to fighting insurgents and terrorists with conventional troops. That's one reason we've got to get the Iraqi troops trained up and on the job so we can get out. Vietnamization took waaaaay too long to accomplish. We can do better.

In Afghanistan right after 911, we sent in 100 Operators from the various SpecOps groups. in just 100 days they'd killed over 30,000 Taliban and AQ with the help of hi-tech artillery and close air support. THAT'S how you fight a war where the enemy is unconventional.

255 posted on 07/19/2005 3:58:35 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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If we had won the war in Vietnam, not only might Indo-China be free, but the Soviet empire probably would have collapsed ten years sooner.

We signed a peace, then lost. Congress refused aid to the South Vietnamese, and they succumbed to a full-scale blitzkrieg.

We lost because we insisted on fighting a purely defensive war. It would have been very easy to win, but the liberal politicians (who started the war in the first place!) would not go for victory.

Goldwater was right: you either go for victory, or you shouldn't be there.

I will never forgive the media, the "anti war" (really pro-communist) demonstrators, and the congressional traitors who lost Vietnam. I will remember, and so will my children and grandchildren. Recriminations? Hell yes!


257 posted on 07/19/2005 4:00:51 PM PDT by docbnj (There are just three good judges, joined in the this case by O'Connor (to her credit).)
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... For nothing.

John? John Kerry? Is that you?

258 posted on 07/19/2005 4:05:08 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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Well, well, well. 30 (make this 31) replies to your cowardly, communistic puking, and not ONE defending you.

"Can you hear us NOW?"

Next time, THINK before you spew.


287 posted on 07/20/2005 7:28:56 AM PDT by Mad Mammoth
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You suck. And not well, at that.

Sh*t, I guess the whole Cold War was one big circle jerk in your stupid little world.

Go smoke some dope and go to sleep---idiot-wanne-be-has-been-a$$hole.


308 posted on 07/21/2005 11:00:56 PM PDT by msf92497 (My brain is "twitchy")
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