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To: Iwo Jima
The military did not lose the conflict in SE Asia. The government did.

We should not have been there in the first place.

56,000 dead. For nothing.

22 posted on 07/18/2005 8:08:26 PM PDT by zarf
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To: zarf

"nothing"

shame on you. not true.


26 posted on 07/18/2005 8:13:19 PM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: zarf
We should not have been there in the first place.
56,000 dead. For nothing.


John Kerry, is that you?

Shut The F--k Up.
27 posted on 07/18/2005 8:13:33 PM PDT by Mad Mammoth
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To: zarf

That's nothing compared to the 1.6 million Vietnamese who died under communism.


32 posted on 07/18/2005 8:18:07 PM PDT by sporkgoddess
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To: zarf
56,000 dead. For nothing.

Perhaps a minor detail for you, but we showed the commie pricks that we were willing to fight them anytime and anywhere on the earth, to serve the cause of freedom.
33 posted on 07/18/2005 8:18:09 PM PDT by zencat (The universe is not what it appears, nor is it something else.)
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To: zarf

"We should not have been there in the first place.

56,000 dead. For nothing."

You could not be more wrong. My comrades did not die in vain. Out of the horror of Vietnam emerged a great army.


39 posted on 07/18/2005 8:19:47 PM PDT by billnaz (What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?)
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To: zarf
Still the defeatist I see.

Go study history before spewing again. Those 56,000 men died for our freedom and had it not been for Walter Cronkite saying we had lost the war during Tet, South Vietnam would be a free country today.

Until old Walter's "We've lost the war" speech, most Americans supported the war and had the will to win it. After Tet the VC was basically a spent force. All we had to do was keep pounding them and the war would have been over within a year or two. Instead the nation went wobbly (just like you) and scared Washington into screwing up everything.

52 posted on 07/18/2005 8:25:56 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Tom Tancredo- The Republican Party's Very Own Cynthia McKinney.)
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This thread is not about the Vietnam conflict.

Now, go back to wiping your sniffling nose on John Kerry's sleeve.

54 posted on 07/18/2005 8:26:16 PM PDT by NautiNurse ("I'd rather see someone go to work for a Republican campaign than sit on their butt."--Howard Dean)
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The march of Communism was stopped there. In a larger view, it was the critical battle of the 'cold' war, and a win.


56 posted on 07/18/2005 8:27:40 PM PDT by RightWhale (Substance is essentially the relationship of accidents to itself)
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Figuratively, I piss on you.


57 posted on 07/18/2005 8:27:41 PM PDT by Petronski (So, ma cherie, you like ze boum boum?)
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To: zarf
We should not have been there in the first place. 56,000 dead. For nothing.

BULLSHIT!!!! Vietnam was a battle in the larger Cold War. The Soviets were not going to get additional proxies without paying a price for it. We showed in Vietnam that we had the resolve to do just that. It's the pansy-assed anti-war protestors that have the blood of two million Cambodians on their hands, for forcing us out of Southeast Asia before we could finish the job. That having been said LBJ almost single-handedly destroyed this country along with McNamara for the way he micromanaged the war.

58 posted on 07/18/2005 8:28:18 PM PDT by dfwgator
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... a war begun by a Democrat to build his legacy, expanded by a Democrat to acquire personal power, and ended by a Republican because the people demanded it and it was the best thing to do for the country.


63 posted on 07/18/2005 8:31:17 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Pray daily for our troops...)
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To: zarf
We should not have been there in the first place.

56,000 dead. For nothing.

Uh, I can think of a few million Vietnamese that just might disagree with you, as well as wonder where we went.

This aging Viet Nam Veteran salutes you, General. May you rest in peace, Sir.

107 posted on 07/18/2005 9:09:24 PM PDT by DakotaRed
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RE: We should not have been there in the first place.

Are you a Communist? If not, do you believe in appeasing Communists and other anti Western fiends?


117 posted on 07/18/2005 9:22:55 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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That was a disgusting comment.


127 posted on 07/18/2005 9:34:17 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Lord, we need a Logan miracle for Simcha7 and Cowboy. Please.)
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For freedom, for you, for me, for each other...


140 posted on 07/18/2005 10:40:32 PM PDT by in the Arena (CAPT (USAF) James Wayne Herrick, Jr. (Call Sign: FireFly33). MIA Laos 27 Oct 69)
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To: zarf
56,000 dead. For nothing.

No sir. Not for nothing.

I'm an Australian - take a look at a map and realise that for Australians, the domino theory wasn't just something we worried about in the context of a larger cold war, important though that was.

We were the end of the domino. If South East Asia fell, then eventually we would fall as well.

The United States helped to save us from that fate during World War II, when the war in south east Asia did come to our doorstep.

In Vietnam, once again, the United States helped to save us from that fate - it was just done a little earlier that time.

The Vietnam War convinced the enemies of democracy and freedom that free people were still willing to pay any price to preserve that freedom.

Men like my father knew what they were fighting for - and many of us still know what they died for.

When you go home
Tell them of us and say
We gave our tomorrows
For your todays.

Lest We Forget


152 posted on 07/18/2005 11:26:14 PM PDT by naturalman1975 (Sure, give peace a chance - but si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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"56,000 dead. For nothing."

Simply not correct. The major rationale for fighting in South Vietnam was to stop the spread of communism into SE Asia, Indonesia, the Phillipines, and ultimately Japan and Australia. South Vietnam fell when the liberals in Congress cut off all funds and support to the country when it was being invaded by the North. What rolled into Saigon were not peasants trying to liberate their country but well equipped regular armored divisions from North Vietnam.

Ultimately South Vietnam fell. But the communists paid such a high price for it that revolutionary export went out of fashion, and the dominos never fell. For that, we can thank the brave men and women who fought there from many countries. They were robbed of their victory in South Vietnam by the politicians back home; but their more important legacy is a major part of the Asian-Pacific theatre that never fell to communism.


158 posted on 07/19/2005 12:56:59 AM PDT by Da Mav
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"56,000 dead. For nothing."

Hopefully, you did not mean that.

You label answering the call of our nation “nothing”? It is abundantly clear that these patriots not only answered the nations call, but made the ultimate sacrifice in doing so.

I find this remark very insulting to the many of us that are Viet Nam veterans.

It is suggested that you retract that statement.


190 posted on 07/19/2005 6:18:16 AM PDT by FMBass (“Now that I’m sober I watch a lot of news” – Garofalo: From “Treason” by Coulter)
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To: zarf; Darksheare
We should not have been there in the first place.

I think you picked the wrong place to say THAT!

196 posted on 07/19/2005 6:46:24 AM PDT by StarCMC (Old Sarge is my hero...doing it right in Iraq! Vaya con Dios, Sarge.)
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To: zarf

Umm.. I think the refugees from Vietnam would disagree.


200 posted on 07/19/2005 6:58:18 AM PDT by Darksheare (Hey troll, Sith happens.)
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