Wilson Didn't Complain About "The 16 Words" Until He Was Working On Kerry Campaign

Numerous | July 18, 2005 | Numerous

[Sam Hill]

As I said above, I think it is highly probable Wilson told the reporters he was trying to get to print his fantasies that his wife was with the CIA. It would enhance his credibility.

It's clear his shopped this story around to everybody. Certainly the NYT (where Miller might have heard it) and the Washington Post. Why not Time?

It would be rich, since Wilson claims that Rove is the one that shopped the story about his wife around. Wilson even said that Rove talked to something like seven reporters with the news that Wilson's wife was with the CIA.

Could it be that Wilson was projecting? That he was accusing Rove of doing EXACTLY what he had done? It sure sounds like it. And it wouldn't be surprising, given what a psychotic Wilson has turned out to be.

[Salvation]

Thanks, Sam! Great job!

[Salvation]

Could resist the last part of that line!

what a psychotic Wilson has turned out to be.

[Sam Hill]

Thanks. There is some further substantiation in the rest of the thread, if you haven't read through it.

Pretty daming stuff, I think. So it will never see the light of day in the MSM.

[Sam Hill]

I guess you have read the tread. LOL

That's another thing I like about the media. They know Wilson is crazy and a liar. Hell, even Kerry--at the height of the campaign--pulled the rug out from under his top foreign policy advisor.

As you know, on the very day the 9/11 Commission issued its report proving Wilson a liar, Kerry shut down the "Restore Honesty" site he had set up for Wilson. He knew Wilson had been caught lying red-handed.

But that doesn't matter to the media now--or to Kerry either, for that matter. They will use any liar or psychotic who will advance their agenda. No matter how outrageous the lie.

I mean, come on. Everybody knew Bill Burkett was insane. But that didn't stop CBS (and others) from relying on his word that the President of the United States had cheated his way into and out of the National Guard.

The media are shameless.

[Salvation]

It will only get into the media if we send urls to FoxNews Channel.

We can send them to other outlets just to be fair, but I really doubt that we will hear about Kerry's connections to Wilson and vice versa in the lamestream ABCNNBCBS!

[Howlin]

Am I having a reading comprehension problem, or in that very exchange isn't Cooper saying HE is the one who gave the information to the White House people?

[Sam Hill]

It sure looks like Cooper is admitting he told Libby about Plame. But of course the media is insisting on concentrating on his coversation with Rove, which he portrayed as being the other way around.

[Howlin]

Sam, I read somewhere on here that Wilson was working with Kerry as early as February of 2003; I'll try to find it this afternoon, as I have a houseful of company I'm taking to the airport later today!

[Mo1]

Nope .. there is nothing wrong with your eyes or reading comprehension

This is why I keep hitting my head on the table when the Dems talb about the issue ... it's like they don't hear what they are saying or they are hoping that the public is too stupid to pick up what they are saying

[Sam Hill]

"Sam, I read somewhere on here that Wilson was working with Kerry as early as February of 2003; I'll try to find it this afternoon, as I have a houseful of company I'm taking to the airport later today!"

Funny you should say that, because I thought I had seen something like that too, when I first started looking at this. But I couldn't find it again. So maybe it was posted here somewhere.

It would certainly track with his newfound sense of mission. Wilson wrote his first piece in February 6. 2003.

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http://web.archive.org/web/20040210010645/www.johnkerry.com/honesty/la_times.html

Wilson then appeared with Bill Moyers at the end of February. Then the scathing Nation piece I cited above in March.

What I suspect is that Wilson was having conversations with Kerry around working for him in February, but they didn't officially sign him on until May.

Maybe the only reason they signed Wilson on was because he told them about this gambit he could used against Bush. So they thought he would be useful.

One this is that just hilarious, is that in a transcript somewhere Wilson was asked when he decided to work for Kerry. He said it was when he saw what Bush was doing in some campaign in South Carolina. Nothing about Yellowcake. Nothing about getting the country into a war based on a lie.

That's what I mean when I say that I believe Wilson truly is psychotic.

[Sam Hill]

Here's what I was saying:

Transcript of Chat with Ambassador Joe Wilson (Official John Kerry Blog Site) - Long

"Guest (Oct 29, 2003 11:07:37 AM)
At what point did you lose faith in the Bush Administration and why exactly do you fell that John Kerry is the best candidate?

*** Joe Wilson (Oct 29, 2003 11:09:25 AM)
When Bush the candidate went to South Carolina and ran a subrosa campaign against McCain accusing his wife of being a drug addict and his kids of not being white (as if that mattered). That is not the change of tone I was looking for. When the neoconservatives got control of our national security policy, I knew we needed to mobilize to fight"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1174083/posts

You see, it wasn't that Bush led the country into war and many died based on his lies. It was because of what Bush did "subroas" against McCain in some campaign in South Carolina.

What the hell is he talking about? It is absolutely ridiculous.

[Sam Hill]

"When Bush the candidate went to South Carolina and ran a subrosa campaign against McCain accusing his wife of being a drug addict and his kids of not being white (as if that mattered)."

Remember that Wilson claims to have voted for Bush the first time. (Though he gave money to Gore.)

[Sam Hill]

You know with all his talk about Bush's neo-cons, I wonder if Wilson isn't anti-Semitic. After all, he is on the payroll at the Middle East Insitute, which many contend is a Saudi front.

And his other job, if it even exists, is JC Wilson Internation Ventures, which was supposed to be some kind of financial consultantcy firm. JCWV is/was run out of the Rock Creek Corporation.

Since May of 2003 (interestingly enough) Wilson has been using an email address for Rock Creek Corporation. That domain (rockcreekcorp.com) has since been closed, but there still have an online address listed. It's another "venture capital" outfit. Note the name of the Managing Director:

 

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It's probably a coincidence, but Yassir Arafat's "media advisor" was named Abu Redeinah. So at the very least it is a Palesinian type name. Interesting choice for a managing director of your international company, ain't it?

[Dems_R_Losers]

I posted this last night on a thread where we were discussing the lavish lifestyle of the Wilsons and wondering where they got the money:

My theory? Joe was up to his neck in illicit but very lucrative deals involving uranium smuggling from Niger. He got a nice advance from a silent partner to set up his business and buy his nice house to settle down in with his new wife. But the jig was up in 2002, when Bush decided to go after Saddam Hussein and dig into his WMD activities. Everyone involved in the uranium business ran for the hills. Wilson's business deals in Niger were going down the tubes. Ergo, he uses his wife to get himself assigned to the case for the CIA, and promptly fails to uncover anything.

But his business goes down the tubes anyway and he needs some money to maintain his lavish lifestyle. At about this time, he hooks up with the Kerry campaign and talks to Chris Lehane. Lehane asks him if there is anything he knows from his days in the Clinton White House or his embassy years in Baghdad that the campaign could use to attack President Bush on going to war with Iraq. The light bulb goes off. 'Hey, why not "expose" the "lies" of the Bush administration on WMD using my bogus report from Niger, then I can write a book about it and make millions! Even more of a bonus if I can get some dumb reporters to reveal that my wife is CIA and make us both martyrs! Then I will get a cushy ambassadorial appointment from President Kerry and live happily ever after!'
..............

I'll go ever further today and suggest that Wilson and Chris Lehane together invented Wilson's whole pack of lies about his trip to Niger, Lehane was easily able to plant the story with Nick Kristof and Walter Pincus, and the NYT was more than happy to run the Wilson op-ed without checking any of the facts. Lehane no doubt assured Wilson that because his wife was CIA, nobody would ever figure out that he was not sent to Niger by Dick Cheney or at Cheney's behest, and his pals in the MSM would never bother to do any digging on this story. Cheney would be smeared, Bush would be embarrassed, Wilson would be a hero and make millions on his book and get a nice appointment in the Kerry Administration.

Today, I am further willing to name Chris Lehane as a probable original source of the leak about Valerie Plame's identity. If Lehane has not been interviewed by Fitzgerald or brought before the grand jury, this is the most incompetent investigation in history.

[Sam Hill]

Great post. I've been wondering where all of the Wilsons' money has come from as well. They live in a million dollar house, have a Jag and (reportedly) a Benz. They have kids. She is a mid-level government drone and he is "retired" from a job where he probably made less than $150K per.

I don't believe he is from a rich family, given his background, college, career trajectory, etc. And he claims he "quite" the Foreign service because he needed to make money. But he doesn't seem to have any kind of job. Even his JC Wilson Internation Ventures (Rock Creek Corporation) seems to have disappeared.

As I've mentioned elsewhere, intel agencies usually become quite suspicious when their employees start living beyond their means. That was how they nabbed the Walkers, and many other spies.

I also have wondered if Plame didn't get Wilson sent to Niger to try to boost his "ventures" company, and to get him the hell out of the house. It's all very suspicious.

Of course if these people were Republicans the media would be all over these questions. But since they are doing the media's bidding, there will be no questions asked.

[Sam Hill]

I forgot to mention that Wilson, with his two ex-wives, may have child support and maybe even alimony to pay.

All of which indicates that he was looking for a get rich quick scheme from somebody. He probably saw Kerry as his meal ticket, as well as getting a nice book deal out of this story.

It's all worked out very nicely for him, so far.

[Howlin]

As I just told Sam in Freepmail, I have company until tonight (thank GOODNESS they are getting on a plane at 7:30 so I can be home for the SCOTUS announcement in peace and quiet).

I'm coming back to this thread tonight to put some real thought into it.

[Dems_R_Losers]

Just remember, Chris Lehane was responsible for the bogus "RATS ad" story that ended up on the front page of the New York Times in the middle of the 2000 campaign andb tied down the Bush camp for days. He has a well-earned reputation for ginning up and planting fake stories with the national media to hurt his opponents. I believe Lehane may also have been responsible for ginning up the story that the White House was orchestrating a massive smear campaign against Wilson and outing his wife for revenge. We know there is zero evidence to support that story, but Matt Cooper - married to Lehane's fellow Clinton and Gore campaign alumna Mandy Grunwald (there's the connection!) - ran it anyway. I can see Lehane calling all of his lib reporter friends one at a time and saying, I heard from X reporter that the White House is really pushing this stuff about Wilson's wife, you should follow up on this. Lehane probably called David Corn and told him to write his story embellishing Plame's CIA status. Perhaps Lehane is even the one Judith Miller is in jail protecting. I doubt he gave anyone any waivers.

This whole thing bears all of the hallmarks of a Chris Lehane fake story. You will notice that Lehane has been nowhere on any of the talking head shows on this story. Doesn't that seem a little odd? Everyone in the MSM knows he was in charge of communictaions on the Kerry campaign and it is inconceivable that he did not talk to Joe Wilson. In fact, given is history, you would have expected Lehane to be Wilson's handler with the media now, not Chuck Schumer.

[mware]

Hey Sam. I think Rush was reading FR last night. Way to go.