Killers may have been duped

News.com.au ^ | 7/17/05 | Staff

[DogBarkTree]

BRITISH police are considering the possibility that the four key suspects in last week's London attacks may have been tricked into setting off their bombs, a newspaper has reported.

"We do not have hard evidence that the men were suicide bombers," a Scotland Yard spokesman told The Sunday Telegraph. "It is possible that they did not intend to die." According to the paper, one police hypothesis is that the bombers were tricked by a "master" who told them they would have time to escape - when in fact the devices were set to go off immediately.

"The bombers' masters might have thought that they couldn't risk the four men being caught and spilling everything to British interrogators," an unnamed security official told the Telegraph.

Lending weight to the theory is the fact that all four men had paid up their parking tickets before boarding a train at Luton for King's Cross, and that they all bought return tickets to the capital.

Moreover, the paper said, the men were carrying their explosives inside rucksacks, as opposed to strapped to their bodies as is common practice among suicide bombers.

None were reported to have cried "Allah Akbar" (God is Greatest) before setting off their charge - something which most Middle Eastern suicide bombers do.

[Jim_Curtis]

I never heard that...do you have any link or know where you heard that?

I probably heard it Wednesday morning on Fox News Channel since it's the only time I have access to TV and I clearly remember hearing it rather than reading it. The report was that one of the survivors reported that a bearded man was saying to the passengers "You're all going to die" minutes before the blast went off.

[Ichneumon]

Supposedly, some of the 911 hijackers were unaware of the true mission goal, as well. BIG DEAL!!!

It is a big deal. If nothing else, it shows that the fanatics are running out of folks so dedicated to the cause that they're willing to die for it.

They were still engaged in terrorist activities and should be regarded as terrorists and murderers, not dupes.

No one has said otherwise. Even if they were dupes, they knew that they were going to kill lots of innocent people -- they're still terrorists and murderers. But if they were also dupes, it's an interesting piece of information in a number of ways.

[tessalu]

This looks like Muslim spin to me. No, no we are not to blame, we did not do anything, it must be your imagination.

[danamco]

Hard to believe...


The Madrid terrorists was not suicide murderers, were they???

[danamco]

Man, if you can't trust your neighborhood bomb maker, who can you trust?


A jihads???

[Haru Hara Haruko]

True, but if this can prevent the "willing to kill but not die themselves" fanatics from strapping on a bomb, that's still an improvement. And on top of that it raises questions about the trustworthiness of *all* terrorist leaders. Even the suicide bombers might think twice if they learn that their "good Muslim brothers" are lying to their Muslim underlings. "If they lie about that and betray their Muslim followers, what else are they lying about?"

All that is true, but the best approach is still to find the bomb maker, kill him, kill his close associates, and kill everyone associated with the mosques and imams where these terrorists were indoctrinated.

[JABBERBONK]

Who would have thought that some of the 9-11 hijackers were in a "nudie" bar the night before the attacks. Since when do hard core Islamists go to "nudie" bars??????hummm??. IT WAS THE JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS.!!!!

[ApplegateRanch]

So, who gives a rat's?

They are dead, and so are a hell of a lot of innocent people, with several times that many maimed and injured.

The bottom line is, they intended to kill; whether they intended to escape and do it again; or to become "martyrs" is irrelvant. Such idle speculation is a waste of police time that does nothing toward running down their associates.

Time, I might add, that would be better spent by taking a page from Israel, and bulldozing their families' houses and businesses...preferrably with the families still in them.

[ApplegateRanch]

That said, and if true, then there is a small measure of justice in the killers themselves perishing, unintentionally, and at their own hands

...and to think everyone says Britain doesn't have a death penalty anymore.

[Mad Mammoth]

Reply #35.
"The Onion" has notified FR that none of their copyrighted material may be posted here.
sorry.

I understand. Nothing personal Fox. Well, I'll try not to do that again.

Of course I didn't even get that DIRECTLY from The Onion, I got it from the following site that actually preserved The Onion's commentary since they no longer have it up on their site:

http://www.b.150m.com/satire/hell.html

Damn man, you give those jokers full faith and credit, and they come whinin' back at ya about "you can't post our COPYRIGHTED material, nyah-nyah-nyah" and to that I say:

You ought to THANK me for remembering who published it and giving you credit, ya ungrateful cretins!

GRRRRR.

I tell ya, it's a thankless job being Mad Mammoth, I'm going to have to think about the decaf and maybe becoming just Mildly Aggravated Mammoth....

[longtermmemmory]

Makes sense. FNC's Col. reported that the car bombers are follwed by a second car which does the actual button pushing.

The IMPORTANT part is that these ORDINARY moslems and followers of the religion of peace are 100% willing to deliver a bomb to "somewhere" for someone else to do the killing.

These men were not stupid, in their minds they would doing a delivery service.

It really does point out there are no "innocent" followers of islam if this is the case.

(everything I needed to know about.....)

[ApplegateRanch]

Even the suicide bombers might think twice if they learn that their "good Muslim brothers" are lying to their Muslim underlings. "If they lie about that and betray their Muslim followers, what else are they lying about?"

"Infidel lies!"

"Everyone 'knows' Muslims do not lie to Muslims! These are transparent Infidel Crusader lies, designed to dupe good Muslims into distrusting each other, thus weakening The Cause!"

"I have told you the plan, and we have rehearsed it many times, and Allah willing, it will occur just that way."

(Of course, if Allah wills otherwise, my triggers will work as designed, and eliminate any chance of me being fingered...)

[Samwise]

"We do not have hard evidence that the men were suicide bombers," a Scotland Yard spokesman told The Sunday Telegraph. "It is possible that they did not intend to die." According to the paper, one police hypothesis is that the bombers were tricked by a "master" who told them they would have time to escape - when in fact the devices were set to go off immediately.

Poor widdle tewowists were twicked into suicwide. They just wanted to murder wicked westermers. They didn't mean to blow themselves up. /heavy sarcasm

Now I need an aspirin...and a drink.

[AmericaUnited]

This is what I thought. The bombs were set off by remote control, by the masters and these stupid dupes got caught "holding the bags".

[Auntie Dem]

allow all muslim women who want to escape the barbaric religion 3 months to get a non-Muslim husband.

You think the women are innocent? Not by a long shot. Who do you think brainwashes the children into their madness? Certainly not the fathers, who are too busy being out on the town at strip clubs and porno theatres. The whole muslim culture is corrupt--men, women, and children. They've ALL got to go.

[pepperhead]

This is total idiocy. These were Islamic fascist murderers. Why would the UK attempt to call them anything else but homicide terrorist bombers.

Because maybe they don't want to think they have anything in common with Israel. You see only desperate oppressed people go blow themselves up. The UK doesn't want to change to the mindset that these sick muslims are attacking people and blowing themselves up just because they are not muslims. It was just so easy for them to tell Israel all these years that they should just give up some land and grin and take it.

[ArmyTeach]

...and a distinct possibility. Gullible, pseudo-idealistic young hotheads ripe to be cherry-picked and manipulated by a senior operative who then disappears into the bottomless pit of the muslim terrorist underworld. It happens in Iraq, where a car bomber is found to have been tied to the steering wheel of the car. Remote detonation of a bomb, killing the carrier, has happened before, as well. Young Islamo-Brits better wake up.

[spunkets]

""We do not have hard evidence that the men were suicide bombers," a Scotland Yard spokesman told The Sunday Telegraph. "It is possible that they did not intend to die.""

So, did they find little African ju-ju bags around the scenes?

[my_pointy_head_is_sharp]

Osama bin Laden had been laughing that most of the 9/11 bombers did not know they were on a suicide mission.

Did the hijackers actually think they would survive after flying a plane into the twin towers and the Pentagon? I don't think so.

[SunnyUsa]

The report was that one of the survivors reported that a bearded man was saying to the passengers "You're all going to die" minutes before the blast went off.

That would end the specualation that they weren't suicide bombers if that would be widely reported and investigated.