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Accusations obscure facts in leak - Scandal around Karl Rove, Joseph Wilson, and who said what
Houston Chronicle ^ | July 17, 2005 | MICHAEL HEDGES and BENNETT ROTH

Posted on 07/17/2005 12:41:48 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: Cincinatus' Wife
One of the most clear headed and straight forward articles written that sums up the whole thing.

Its really unfortunate that the MSM has gone so far over the edge they cannot be trusted to report facts. The actual story by Cooper should have been "Wilson report at odds with British intelligence" Wilson should be hammered about the lies and misrepresentations in his so called oral report. The media should be letting all America know that British intelligence backed the White House on the uranium claim and Wilson is a partisan glory hound.

I think a media who can be trusted to get the facts out is very important. Politicians shouldn't have to defend themselves against false accusations by lazy and partisan reporters who "leak" names and can never be held accountable.

A new law should be enacted in which any journalist who reveals the identity of a covert agent will be jailed as the leaker if they do not reveal the source of their leak.

81 posted on 07/17/2005 5:39:15 AM PDT by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: Echo Talon

I ordered mine last night.


82 posted on 07/17/2005 5:53:09 AM PDT by NathanBookman
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To: kabar

Sorry I don't know how to post a link to another FR article, but search out the research done by Fedora on Wilsons Rock Creek corporation and his dealings with Saudis and possibly with the French who were recieving Oil for Food vouchers. I really think all this Rove stuff could be a smokescreen to keep others from asking why the CIA would send someone like Wilson to investigate and also how the media worked hand in hand with all the usual suspects to influence the election.


83 posted on 07/17/2005 6:26:08 AM PDT by gulf1609 (Was there a French Connection?)
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To: Howlin

"What actually happened is that Wilson had gotten the job to go to Africa after his wife, Valerie Plame, a CIA official, suggested he be sent."

Joe retires. Sounds like she wanted a little breather from him.

You know,the old I married you for better or for worse---not for lunch!


84 posted on 07/17/2005 6:37:08 AM PDT by chgomac
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I am truly astounded to find an article in the Houston Communist to be so factually accurate. I think I must have shifted to a different reality. Is this a Star Trek movie?


85 posted on 07/17/2005 6:38:50 AM PDT by WillMalven (It don't matter where you are when "the bomb" goes off, as long as you can say "What was that?")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

In a line buried deep in his New York Times article, Wilson conceded, "I did not file a written report" on the African trip. Instead he theorizes that his findings would have bubbled up from oral briefings he gave to intelligence officials"

WE paid for this trip, most probably costing thousands of dollars, where Joe Wilson spent some time by the hotel pool sipping drinks, and we don't even get a written report for our money?

"what did you find out, Joe?"
"Nothing, but it sure is hot over there."
"Have Valerie put you in for a hazardous duty bonus. Thanks for your time."


86 posted on 07/17/2005 7:23:00 AM PDT by wildbill
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I find a number of similarities between the events in Britain that attempted to bring down Tony Blair with the series of events here in the US that are attempting to bring down George W. Bush. In both instances, there have been claims that intelligence reports were inflated to promote the Iraq war. In Britain, it was a government employee named David Kelly that "leaked" information to Andrew Gilligan, a BBC reporter. Gilligan's reporting was later debunked following an investigation; Kelly committed suicide. Fake documents have been released in order to destroy the credibility of authentic documents which has further clouded the issues. Today, we're seeing the MSM desperately trying to keep this story alive to damage President Bush. I'm not convinced that all of this is pure coincidence.






87 posted on 07/17/2005 8:23:51 AM PDT by Ben Hecks
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The fact that Miller is in jail is because she is protecting Kristof who in turn is protecting Wilson himself. I would bet Wilson told Kristof about his wife and his wife's roll in getting him the job. Now Wilson has claimed that his wife had no roll in getting him the job but now we know different primarily from the State Dept Memo. Now if Miller is sitting in jail protecting Kristoff for Wilson and Plame then she could face obstruction charges if they prove Wilson lied through another angle.
88 posted on 07/17/2005 8:32:15 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: Ben Hecks
You're correct. It's kill the king. Get Bush. The aim is to discredit the Bush Administration and make him a lame duck. LIBERALS want to stall and/or block Bush's agenda to rolling back their big government.
89 posted on 07/17/2005 8:34:46 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: tobyhill

And the msm will circle the wagons to "protect" their source a-k-a CYA.


90 posted on 07/17/2005 8:36:49 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

That's exactly what they're doing. They are trying to deflect any roll Wilson may have in order to protect their own and they're doing this by trying to tag Rove at any cost.


91 posted on 07/17/2005 8:43:39 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: wildbill

In a line buried deep in his New York Times article, Wilson conceded, "I did not file a written report" on the African trip. Instead he theorizes that his findings would have bubbled up from oral briefings he gave to intelligence officials"

A fundamental question to this whole affair has not be addressed. Was this whole uranium buying deal classified? Did PinochiJoe's Op Ed piece release classified information?


Were real NOC's comprimised due to the release of the information?


92 posted on 07/17/2005 8:48:53 AM PDT by Wristpin ( Varitek says to A-Rod: "We don't throw at .260 hitters.....")
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To: Wristpin
I think you hit something very important. Not only has Wilson been proved a liar, did he leak or describe classified documents when he went on his rant about what he didn't find? I'm sure he had a confidentiality agreements before he went. Also, anyone who even visits the CIA headquarters or branch must sign an electronic form that indicates that anything seen or discussed will never leave the bldg except as permitted by legal authority and those who violate could be prosecuted. I think Wilson thought he was protected under the whistle blowers act but in reality he wasn't because the President never mentioned his non-findings just the findings of the Brits. I really think Wilson and Plame really screwed up and are going to be in some deep do-do.
93 posted on 07/17/2005 9:00:37 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: JennysCool

Oh, that is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO funny! Did you do that?


94 posted on 07/17/2005 9:09:22 AM PDT by Howlin (Is Valerie Plame a mute?)
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To: tobyhill

A couple of years ago I heard one of the media pundits explain that the CIA never had Joe sign a Non Disclosure agreement. I worked a highly classified program most of my adult life and find the disregard for security procedures in this case astounding.


95 posted on 07/17/2005 9:14:48 AM PDT by Wristpin ( Varitek says to A-Rod: "We don't throw at .260 hitters.....")
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To: Wristpin

If Wilson never signed one and received any information from his wife then she should go to jail if she told him anything.


96 posted on 07/17/2005 9:31:09 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: Howlin

Why, thank you!

Yes, I'm responsible. If I can help Joe in any way in his slide to obscurity, I'm right there! :-)


97 posted on 07/17/2005 9:49:37 AM PDT by JennysCool (Be good, and you will be lonesome. - Mark Twain)
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To: JennysCool

I am envious of your talent!


99 posted on 07/17/2005 9:55:10 AM PDT by Howlin (Is Valerie Plame a mute?)
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To: seamole

There is another issue here besides his wife's status.

From what I can tell, the Niger information was gleaned from HUMINT and should have been compartmented in an SCI program. Hoops have to be jumped through before an individual is given access to the information. It appears this was not done in this case(ILLEGAL!!).


100 posted on 07/17/2005 9:56:22 AM PDT by Wristpin ( Varitek says to A-Rod: "We don't throw at .260 hitters.....")
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