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Accusations obscure facts in leak - Scandal around Karl Rove, Joseph Wilson, and who said what
Houston Chronicle ^ | July 17, 2005 | MICHAEL HEDGES and BENNETT ROTH

Posted on 07/17/2005 12:41:48 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: Howlin

Back later. I need to start breakfast.


61 posted on 07/17/2005 3:19:46 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Karl Rove is Plame-proof.)
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To: Miss Marple

Paging Norm Coleman...Paging Norm Coleman...


62 posted on 07/17/2005 3:23:35 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: mewzilla

Wilson (evidently) retired from 22 years with State in 1998, around the time they bought the house.

Unless they had family money, it's unclear how a married federal-employee couple could afford an $800K/$900K house.


63 posted on 07/17/2005 3:26:08 AM PDT by angkor
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To: Miss Marple
Yes. It sounds like one of those details that people add to make their lies seem truthful.

And/or explain the expensive cars in the driveway.

64 posted on 07/17/2005 3:26:15 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Miss Marple; angkor
This guy is one of the most annoying minor figures since Kato Kalin.

And I can honestly say that I've never seen another white man sweat as much as he does except, of course, for Al Gore. Disgusting!

65 posted on 07/17/2005 3:27:11 AM PDT by Howlin (Is Valerie Plame a mute?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This seems like a good summary of the facts.


66 posted on 07/17/2005 3:34:19 AM PDT by JoeGar
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To: Howlin

That sweating was something new. When this first broke, I don't recall him being so sweaty.


67 posted on 07/17/2005 3:49:31 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Karl Rove is Plame-proof.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Just about admits that there is no there there. The chronic just can't admit that the msm is being caught in another manaufactured story.

The evil genius, Karl Rove, strikes again with another ROVIAN plot to get the msm.


68 posted on 07/17/2005 3:51:58 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine's brother ( We need a few more Marines like Lt. Gen. James Mattis)
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To: Howlin

69 posted on 07/17/2005 3:54:46 AM PDT by JennysCool (Be good, and you will be lonesome. - Mark Twain)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Once again the old The Democrats are Wrong and So are the Republicans. Who can tell? Who are we to believe beyond a shadow of a doubt? Don't let the facts cloud the isses. -

What crap! Use you mind it is obvious the Dems were trying to trap Rove and now they are throwing further allegations in an attempt to cover their tracks.
70 posted on 07/17/2005 3:56:32 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup (http://www.busateripens.com)
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To: Howlin
You know what makes me mad? The dang press could be looking at some of this stuff and finding out where his money comes from. I mean, we had to learn every last detail about Paula Jones and her book deal, who was paying for her attorney, etc.

But Joe Wilson gets a pass. No questions about the expensive life-style, no looking into his consulting firm and clients, no questions about the propriety of the husband of a WMD analyst dealing with a uranium-producing country, no questions about why HE was sent on the trip instead of someone competent...NOTHING!

71 posted on 07/17/2005 3:56:43 AM PDT by Miss Marple (Karl Rove is Plame-proof.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
even if Rove is not prosecuted under that law, it is not clear whether Fitzgerald is looking at other charges such as perjury or obstruction of justice. Questions remain as to who the other senior administration official was who spoke to Novak or who Miller's sources were.

There is an amazing hidden assumption in all this media coverage which no one seems to question. The assumption is that Fitzgerald is investigating who "outed" Valerie Plame.

What if it's not? What if other classified material was leaked? For example:

  • Wilson's trip to Niger was at the behest of the CIA. That was not publicly available information.
  • Whatever Wilson told the CIA when he got back, it is unlikely that the CIA expected to see it in the New York Times.
  • "The dates were wrong and the signatures were wrong." Wilson said that, about a document proffered up by Italian Intelligence concerning a uranium purchase. But in theory, Wilson had never seen the document. The U.S. did not have it until months after Wilson got back.
    • How did Wilson find out the document even exists? This was a Big Secret being passed around by intelligence agencies.
    • How secret was the fact that we knew it was forged? The French were still trying to peddle it to us and the Brits as genuine. The fact that we knew it was fake was likely a highly classified piece of information.
  • In discussing the "leak" of Plame's name, David Corn revealed even more Secret Stuff: that her job was to monitor the proliferation of WMDs. Nobody knew that. How did David Corn find that out? Novak didn't know that. Cooper didn't know that. Rove didn't know that. How did some blogger find out what Valerie Plame's secret job was?

And then there's this:

    Wilson later went to work for Democratic presidential nominee Sen. John Kerry.

Not exactly. According the puff piece in Vanity Fair, Wilson started working for the Kerry campaign in May 2003. In other words, at the time he wrote his damning op-ed in the New York Times and appeared on Meet the Press, Wilson was a Kerry campaign operative. Do you remember the media telling us that? Did they know? Did Timmy Russert know that he was passing off a Kerry campaign operative as some sort of career civil servant "whistleblower"?

This is more and more starting to sound like Rathergate, with the media conspiring with Democrats to foist fake material (later shown to be all lies) on an unsuspecting public for the purpose of throwing spears at Bush.


72 posted on 07/17/2005 4:01:00 AM PDT by Nick Danger (www.iranfree.org)
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To: angkor

Collected a huge bounty from the DNC.

Tom


73 posted on 07/17/2005 4:13:06 AM PDT by tdscpa
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To: Nick Danger
The CIA also raised objections, noting that federal law prohibited officials from intentionally disclosing the identity of a covert agent.

I'd like to know which incompetent, partisan spook at the CIA raised these objections considering Plane had not been a covert agent for six years. This stinks to high heaven.

74 posted on 07/17/2005 4:39:44 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: Nick Danger

Excellent analysis. Excellent!


75 posted on 07/17/2005 4:54:50 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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To: Howlin
From what I have read, he was "dining" with half the reporters in D.C. trying to get them to write a story about his trip to Niger. What I don't get is why he waited so long; if he was upset with the 16 words, why wait six months to write about it.

Maybe he was waiting for all those reporters to do the story for him and when it didn't work out that way, he came forward and praised himself.

76 posted on 07/17/2005 4:58:30 AM PDT by patj
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To: angkor
Well, Joe comes back empty handed, but it did keep him out of Val's hair for a few weeks.

It would be interesting to hear what his former wives have to say about him.

77 posted on 07/17/2005 5:01:01 AM PDT by patj
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To: angkor
Wilson (evidently) retired from 22 years with State in 1998, around the time they bought the house.

Unless they had family money, it's unclear how a married federal-employee couple could afford an $800K/$900K house.

It is possible for a number of reasons. First, they were a two earner family. Assuming that Wilson was a member of the Senior Foreign Service prior to his retirement, he would have been earning around $125K a year. If his wife was either an SES or GS15 or 16 she would be earning over 100K as well. This works out to $225K a year minimum.

Second, one or both of them could have owned property in the DC area. It is common for foreign service employees to own houses in the area and then rent them out while overseas. The USG provides housing abroad or an allowance to rent/own it. There are also other overseas allowances to compensate employess for increased living costs, etc. You can save money from reduced living costs and make money from your rental property. Property appreciation in the DC area has been significant, even in the 90s. The Wilsons could have sold appreciated property to buy up. They also may have invested in stocks, bonds, etc., which increased dramatically during the 90s.

Third, when you retire from the Foreign Service you receive a lump sum payment for unused leave, which could amount to $80 to $90K.

Finally, they could have inherited or borrowed money from a relative.

What I find curious is why Wilson retired with only 22 years service, especially at a time when he was in his peak earning years and his career should have been in its ascendency. I suspect that his career was at a dead end either due to the role he played in the April Glaspie affair or his subsequent performance on the NSC. There must have been a cloud over his head, which "forced" him to get out. With his collossal ego, I doubt if finishing his career out as a bureaucrat stuffed into some cubicle was not acceptable.

I estimate that Wilson's initial retirement salary was around $50K using a high three of $125K times 44% (22 years times 2%) minus 5K for a survivor benefit for his wife. Each year this is increased by the CPI-W, the same as SS. Odd.

78 posted on 07/17/2005 5:10:45 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Echo Talon
He served as ambassador to Gabon and São Tomé

Sounds like the typical "we got this moron on the payroll what the hell we gonna do with him". I know, lets send him to Gabon or Sao Tome, wherever the heck those places are..........

79 posted on 07/17/2005 5:22:19 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Too many idiots, too little time to deal with them all......I'll just shoot what I can.)
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To: Nick Danger
Not exactly. According the puff piece in Vanity Fair, Wilson started working for the Kerry campaign in May 2003. In other words, at the time he wrote his damning op-ed in the New York Times and appeared on Meet the Press, Wilson was a Kerry campaign operative.

Good catch. I also read that somewhere else. Wilson was already in discussions with the Kerry campaign as an unpaid advisor. It would be instructive to look at Kerry's Iraq statements prior to Wilson's July 6th Op-Ed. I bet you would find similar verbiage.

80 posted on 07/17/2005 5:37:16 AM PDT by kabar
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