With mosque, dream is reality

I don't see anything wrong with an extra effort to try to integrate Muslims into American society.

That's frightening.

Funny, I don't see these kind of stories when Catholic's Dream are realized and a new church is built.

Right! Why is that? Could it be the catholics are not out to destroy the western world through terrorism so they are unworthy of attention? Maybe if they started killing innocents and had homicide bomber brigades, our pathetic politicians would take them seriously and bend over to appease them?

Coming soon to a town near you.

MEIN KAMPF = MEIN KORAN

ALLAHU AKBAR! = HEIL HITLER!

The Clinton / Reno Justice Dept's FBI, the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) and the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) so feared and were so convinced that a kind of Christian "jihad" (my word, not theirs) was in the making due to Y2k that they put together Project Megiddo. Some reports include the post-OKC bombing creation, the State and Local Anti-Terrorism Training (SLATT) program as well as the ADL and SPLC.

(Meanwhile the jetliner flying lessons continued, a Muslim money pipeline connected to terrorist groups, and nobody with power in Washington cared.)

What if a few Christian extremists had come out of churches shooting at 0001 hours on 1 Jan., 2000?

What if, with a tiny number of exceptions, the Christian community's only comments were "the event was just awful, violence against Christians must stop also, we must stop all violence, stop picking on us, let us teach you about Christianity."

There'd be no government officials at a church opening that's what.

Is this whining? NO. If the conditions were as I described there should be no government officials at a church except to arrest suspected terrorists. Ditto mosques.

Not coming to my town, I can assure you of that :)

As Britain shows, cutting them off into their own ghettos with no attention paid from the outside culture just produces a breeding ground for drugs and radical politics. Maybe they do need something like this attention.

You are joking, right? NOBODY has "cut them off into their own ghettos" but themselves! It is their choice, their education, their mandate to live in their own Muslim enclaves, and avoid the "contamination" of the "infidels."

One hopes!

Maybe if they started killing innocents and had homicide bomber brigades, our pathetic politicians would take them seriously and bend over to appease them?

It's so crazy, it just ... might ... work! =)

We just need to recognize the threat, get united, and have the conviction to do what's necessary when the time comes.

I wasn't saying that Britain consciously put them into ghettos. They just ignored them, like most of the rest of Europe has, and that's how it ended up.

As for the rest of your post, I think you sweep a pretty broad brush with your word "they". I think plenty of Muslims are capable of joining the modern world. Living with the rest of America, instead of living apart, may help more join in.

Yep, we're not disarmed Brits or Frogs.

That's what you think! I live in the freakin' buckle of the Bible belt and it's here.

So when do they start to recruit for "bombers" for the midwest?

You are right in a sense. We shouldn't ignore them like Britain did, we should actually deal with the problem and take them out. No hate preachers from the mosques, no terrorist financing from bogus charities, and damn sure HLS needs to get off it's ass and kill the sleepers in the middle of the night.

here in KS the Islamic centers spring up around universities as well.
The Muslim kids pay cold hard cash to the university, so they are recruiting all over the Mid-East....and at international student tuition rates, it a big business..
For the parents, it's a big bragging thing, to send the kids off to the UK or US to University.

From what I have gathered there was a big push during the mid to late 90's to expand the physical infrastructure in islamic community in the US. Thus the "Islamic Center" has emerged in every university town in KS. Most of the people involved eventually admit that a large portion of this money comes from the Saudi Royals. It's their version of philanthropy..

The system allows the muslim students to maintain themselves as a community seperate and outside of the mainstream university community.
For the Wahabi/Fundie islamist, our western society was so completly evil it was corrupting too many of their kids who came here. The system allows the kids to stay away from the rest and they even operate their own off-record banking system for the students and professors.

There are Arabic classes, Koran readings, and "Lifestyle" classes in the centers.

They recruit on campus from minorities and dissaffected types. The young muslim students will go out on evenings and look for "loners" and befriend them. It's kinda like the mormon kids, except the islamic center guys do this every weekend, not just when they are on their "mission".
Islamic leaderership comes from the local community, though that usually aligns itself with a regional mosque.
The calls to prayer have started, though they don't use speakers or amplify it, but if you are on the south end of campus it is easily heard on friday night.

It would be ironic if the Gov. drove a car, without being accompanied by her husband, to the mosque. When is the next election, BTW?

As part of the grand opening ceremony, there were readings from the Quran.

Like these?

ANNOUNCE PAINFUL PUNISHMENT TO THOSE WHO DISBELIEVE (9:3)
O Prophet! urge the believers to war; if there are twenty patient ones of you they shall overcome two hundred... (8:65)
Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve (8:55)
And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah (8:39)
When the sacred months have passed away, THEN SLAY THE IDOLATERS WHEREVER YOU FIND THEM, AND TAKE THEM CAPTIVES AND BESIEGE THEM AND LIE IN WAIT FOR THEM IN EVERY AMBUSH, then if they repent and keep up prayer [become believers] and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them (9:5)
And if they intend to act unfaithfully towards you, so indeed they acted unfaithfully towards Allah before, but He GAVE YOU MASTERY OVER THEM (8:71)
FIGHT THEM: ALLAH WILL PUNISH THEM BY YOUR HANDS AND BRING THEM TO DISGRACE, AND ASSIST YOU AGAINST THEM. (9:14)
FIGHT THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN ALLAH, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, NOR FOLLOW THE RELIGION OF TRUTH, OUT OF THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE BOOK [Christians and Jews], until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and THEY ARE IN A STATE OF SUBJECTION. (9:29)
O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination. (9:73)
O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil). (9:123)
I WILL CAST TERROR INTO THE HEARTS OF THOSE WHO DISBELIEVE. THEREFORE STRIKE OFF THEIR HEADS AND STRIKE OFF EVERY FINGERTIP OF THEM. THIS IS BECAUSE THEY ACTED ADVERSELY TO ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER; AND WHOEVER ACTS ADVERSELY TO ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER - THEN SURELY ALLAH IS SEVERE IN REQUITING (EVIL). THIS - TASTE IT, AND (KNOW) THAT FOR THE UNBELIEVERS IS THE PUNISHMENT OF FIRE. O you who believe! When you meet those who disbelieve marching for war, then turn not your backs to them. And whoever shall turn his back to them on that day - unless he turn aside for the sake of fighting or withdraws to a company - then he, indeed, becomes deserving of Allah's wrath, and his abode is hell; and an evil destination shall it be. So you did not slay them, but it was Allah Who slew them and you did not smite when you smote (the enemy) but it was Allah Who smote, and that He might confer upon the believers a good gift from Himself; (8:12-17)
And that you should judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their low desires, and be cautious of them, lest they seduce you from part of what Allah has revealed to you; but if they turn back, then know that Allah desires to afflict them on account of some of their faults; and most surely many of the people are transgressors. Is it then the judgment of the times of ignorance that they desire: and who is better than Allah to judge for a people who are sure? O YOU WHO BELIEVE! DO NOT TAKE THE JEWS AND THE CHRISTIANS FOR FRIENDS; THEY ARE FRIENDS OF EACH OTHER; AND WHOEVER AMONGST YOU TAKES THEM FOR A FRIEND, THEN SURELY HE IS ONE OF THEM; SURELY ALLAH DOES NOT GUIDE THE UNJUST PEOPLE. (5:49-51)
The punishment of those who pit themselves against Allah and His Messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement, except those who repent before you have them in your power (5:33-34)
Believe therefore in Allah and His apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one god: far be it from his glory that He should have a son. (4:171)
What is the matter with you, then, that you have become two parties about the hypocrites, while Allah has made them return (to unbelief) for what they have earned? Do you wish to guide him whom Allah has caused to err? And whomsoever Allah causes to err, you shall by no means find a way for him. THEY DESIRE THAT YOU SHOULD DISBELIEVE AS THEY HAVE DISBELIEVED, SO THAT YOU MIGHT BE ALL ALIKE; THEREFORE TAKE NOT FROM AMONG THEM FRIENDS UNTIL THEY FLY THEIR HOMES IN ALLAH'S WAY; BUT IF THEY TURN BACK, THEN SEIZE THEM AND KILL THEM WHEREVER YOU FIND THEM, AND TAKE NOT FROM AMONG THEM A FRIEND OR A HELPER. (4:89)
As for those who disbelieve in Our communications, We shall make them enter fire; so oft as their skins are thoroughly burned, We will change them for other skins, that they may taste the punishment (4:56)
Surely they who disbelieve in the communications of Allah - they shall have a severe punishment; and Allah is Mighty, the lord of retribution. (3:4)
Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' and whoever says, None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' his life and property will be saved by me except for Islamic law, and his accounts will be with Allah, (either to punish him or to forgive him.)" (Hadith 4:52:196)
Allah's Apostles said, "When a slave (of Allah) commits illegal sexual intercourse, he is not a believer at the time of committing it; and if he steals, he is not a believer at the time of stealing; and if he drinks an alcoholic drink, when he is not a believer at the time of drinking it; and he is not a believer when he commits a murder," 'Ikrima said: I asked Ibn Abbas, "How is faith taken away from him?" He said, Like this," by clasping his hands and then separating them, and added, "But if he repents, faith returns to him like this, by clasping his hands again. (Hadith 8:82:800e:) [So, with the clap of a hand, they can do whatever they want?]
The Prophet said, "The one who commits an illegal sexual intercourse is not a believer at the time of committing illegal sexual intercourse and a thief is not a believer at the time of committing theft and a drinker of alcoholic drink is not a believer at the time of drinking. Yet, (the gate of) repentance is open thereafter." (Hadith 8:82:801)
(Isolated incident) ...then prostrated himself, and all who were with him prostrated too. But an old man took a handful of dust and touched his forehead with it saying, "This is sufficient for me." Later on I saw him killed as an infidel. (Hadith 5:59:311)
[yes the Jews and Muslims are both descendents of Abraham, but here is the attitude towards descendants of Abraham through Isaac (the Jews]: "If they find you, they will be your enemies, and will stretch forth towards you their hands and their tongues with evil, and they ardently desire that you may disbelieve. Your relationship would not profit you, nor your children, on the day of resurrection; He will decide between you; and Allah sees what you do. Indeed, there is for you a good example in Abraham and those with him when they said to their people: Surely we are clear of you and of what you serve besides Allah; WE DECLARE OURSELVES TO BE CLEAR OF YOU, AND ENMITY AND HATRED HAVE APPEARED BETWEEN US AND YOU FOREVER UNTIL YOU BELIEVE IN ALLAH ALONE (60:2-4)
The Quran also attributes negative characteristics to Christians like "falsehood" (Sura 3:71) and "distortion" (Sura 4:46). Among other things, the Qur’an teaches that the Jews have been cursed by Allah, as well as by David and Jesus. (Sura 2:61/58, Sura 5:78/82) And Allah was so disgusted with Jews that he transformed them into apes and pigs. (Sura 5:60/65, 2:65 and 7:166).

You are joking, right? NOBODY has "cut them off into their own ghettos" but themselves! It is their choice, their education, their mandate to live in their own Muslim enclaves, and avoid the "contamination" of the "infidels."

And for those reasons I suspect it's a good thing that Sebelius and all those others chose to "contaminate" them with their visit.

Letting these Muslims live apart and in a cloistered mental atmosphere just invites this kind of radical separatism.

I hope the construction guys put plenty of bugs in the air vents.

Ok ..how f*cking stupid is this country ..unreal just unreal.
ok lets think od a name for this place being as it dosen't have one yet,,
Temple of Doom perhaps?