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Top Santorum Aide Outed As Gay
San Luis Obispo Tribune ^ | 7/15/2005 | Steve Goldstein

Posted on 07/16/2005 12:12:46 PM PDT by gopgen

Gay-rights opponent Santorum stands by outed aide

BY STEVE GOLDSTEIN

Knight Ridder Newspapers

WASHINGTON - (KRT) - The senior spokesman for Sen. Rick Santorum, R- Pa., Friday confirmed to a web log that he is gay.

According to PageOneQ, an online gay and lesbian publication, director of communications Robert L. Traynham, said that he was an "out gay man who completely supports the senator."

Santorum, the third-ranking Republican in the Senate leadership has been an outspoken opponent of homosexual rights and a leading proponent of a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage.

Santorum, who was traveling in Pittsburgh, released the following statement:

"Robert Traynham ... is widely respected and admired on Capitol Hill, both among the press corps and among the congressional staff, as a communications professional. Not only is Mr. Traynham an exemplary staffer, but he is also a trusted friend confidente to me and my family. Mr. Traynham is a valued member of my staff and I regret that this effort on behalf of people who oppose me has made him a target of bigotry in their eyes.

"It is entirely unacceptable that my staffs' personal lives are considered fair game by partisans looking for arguments to bolster my opponent's campaign. Mr. Traynham continues to have my full support and confidence as well as my prayers as he navigates this rude and mean spirited invasion of his personal life."

Mark Rodgers, chief of staff at the Republican conference, which Santorum chairs, said, "Robert is a tremendous employee and we're all for standing by him." Traynham's homosexuality was not news to the senator or his staff, he added.

In the online interview, Traynham defended his decision to work with the senator. "Sen. Santorum is a man of principle, he is a man who sticks up for what he believes in. I strongly do support Sen. Santorum.

Asked whether he supported Santorum's views on lesbian and gay issues, Traynham told PageOneQ, "Sen. Santorum is a family man. I have been with him for eight years and I am very proud to be with him."

The two-term senator is up for reelection next year. His expected Democratic opponent is State Treasurer Robert P. Casey, Jr.

Traynham began working for Santorum since 1997 as a press assistant and then deputy press secretary. He was press secretary for the senator's 2000 reelection campaign in Pennsylvania. Just prior to becoming communications director in the Senate office, Traynham served as director of communications for the Senate Republican Conference.

Traynham holds a bachelor of arts degree in political science from Cheyney University of Pennsylvania, where he currently serves on the Council of Trustees.

In supporting the Federal Marriage Amendment, which would prohibit gay marriage, Santorum has equated homeland security with the sanctity of traditional marriage. He has referred to gay marriage as "messing with the basic family unit."

During an interview with The Associated Press two years ago about a challenge to the constitutionality of Texas's sodomy law, Santorum said that if the Supreme Court allows gay sex at home (which it ultimately did), "you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything."

On the marriage issue, Santorum also said: "In every society, the definition of marriage has not ever to my knowledge included homosexuality. That's not to pick on homosexuality. It's not, you know, man on child, man on dog, or whatever the case may be."

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To: scripter

Excellent, scripter. Absolutely outstanding post! Bttt!


461 posted on 07/16/2005 10:12:21 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins

I think there's a difference between an employee and a President, a leader. I think the expectations are different. Unless you intend only to employ zealous followers of your own faith, you are going to have an extremely, EXTREMELY difficult time staying away from hiring habitual sinners.

I think it would be extremely difficult for most business owners to refrain from employing at least one sinner, because there are just so many people who don't see anything wrong with THEIR particular sin.

Look at all the people who live together before marriage. They freely and habitually engage in fornication same as a homosexual. Society promotes this particular sin more than it promotes homosexuality. How do you avoid hiring such people? And what about all the people who look at pornography? They're everywhere!

My point is that homosexuality is NOT worse than these other sins. My point is also that it isn't reasonable to expect someone to avoid hiring sinners unless the job is religious in nature.


462 posted on 07/16/2005 10:12:38 PM PDT by DameAutour ("If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning.")
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To: California Patriot

"This will hurt him, because the liberal media will make sure it does."

Disagree. Hate to use this term, considering the theme of this thread...but the blowback from this issue will actually hurt Santorum's challenger, in my opinion,

"All he had to do was find a reason not to hire the guy."

Yeah, we all go about our business this way.

"It's easy enough to find out if someone's single, and not hard to find out why they're single."

It's also really tacky and classless. And off the point. Santorum will NOT be hurt by this. I can even see how he might even be helped by it, because most conservatives disapprove of the lifestyle, but don't condemn the people who are in it (not saying they approve their behaviors). And they see that this "outing" is patently dirty politics. People don't like that. Mary Cheney.

"Of course, Santorum and his chief of staff may not have had the political skills to do this properly, but that just strengthens my point."

Santorum and his whole staff--which, by the way, would include the gay conservative Republican under debate here--are very skilled indeed. A junior senator does not get a national reputation as a rising star in the national party just a few years into his FIRST term without being...very skilled indeed.



463 posted on 07/16/2005 10:14:40 PM PDT by John Robertson (Safe Travel)
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To: John Robertson
most of the Bible believing conservative Christians I know are NOT like you.

I believe that, most Bible believers are not homosexual activists.
464 posted on 07/16/2005 10:16:01 PM PDT by Delphinium
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To: Coleus; Fedora

ping.

Dems, GOP hold historic meetings with gay groups
But the question remains for both: What will come of it?
By Peter Cassels

Published: Thursday, May 9, 2002

White House adviser Mary Matalin addresses the Log Cabin Republicans in a meeting that marks the first time an official White House meeting has taken place between a Republican administration and gay members of the GOP.
Media Credit: LCR
White House adviser Mary Matalin addresses the Log Cabin Republicans in a meeting that marks the first time an official White House meeting has taken place between a Republican administration and gay members of the GOP.

It's springtime in the nation's capital and like robins digging for worms politicians are searching for votes. It's an election year after all. Just as the cherry blossoms were blooming on Washington's Tidal Basin in April, Republicans and Democrats were falling all over themselves wooing gays and lesbians in the critical fall elections that will determine which party controls Congress.

First, it was the GOP's turn, with legislators on Capitol Hill and members of the Bush administration at the White House and Treasury Department hosting Log Cabin Republicans (LCR) April 18. Then, on April 25, in an ornate room just off the floor of the U.S. Senate, Democratic solons mixed it up with leaders of most of the nation's leading gay advocacy groups.

Gay leaders in both parties labeled the meetings historic, but tempered that by pointing out that such discussions have been going on routinely `` for years, the Democrats say, and since at least the dawn of the Bush administration, according to the Republicans.

One certainly could use the descriptor ``power meeting." There was enough political star wattage to illuminate a city for a week. The Republicans trotted out White House senior advisor Mary Matalin, Bill Frist (the physician-senator from Tennessee whom Washington insiders consider presidential timber), and Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill for their dog-and-pony show. Not to be outdone, the Democrats featured the likes of Massachusetts Sens. John Kerry and Ted Kennedy, and Connecticut Sens. Joe Lieberman and Chris Dodd. Kennedy had his chance at a White House race 22 years ago. The other three are toying with running in 2004. The gay leaders attending the meeting, hosted by Kerry as chair of the Senate Democratic Steering & Coordination Committee, were no slouches either. There was Elizabeth Birch, executive director of the Human Rights Campaign (HRC), Lorri Jean, head of the National Gay & Lesbian Task Force (NGLTF), and gay activist David Mixner, former Friend of Bill (Clinton), among others.

Gay spokespersons for both parties say the confabs long had been planned and it was a mere coincidence that they occurred within days of each other. Another coincidence: the LCR and its counterpart, the National Stonewall Democrats (NSD), also had their annual conventions in close proximity, by the calendar, if not geography. The LCR event was in Washington April 17-21. The NSD met in Cleveland April 25-28. At least one observer viewed the various meetings as the opening volleys in the battle for gay and lesbian votes in the key elections of 2002 and 2004.

April 18 was a busy day for about 50 LCR national leaders who shuttled between the Hill and the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue. At the Treasury Building next to the White house, Secretary O'Neill briefed the group, reviewing U.S. economic policy and the continued progress of private sector benefits for domestic partners. The group then went next door to the Eisenhower Executive Office Building in the White House complex for what was the first-ever briefing in a Republican administration for a gay organization.

Matalin talks politics

Matalin, who doubles as assistant to the president and counselor to the vice president, not surprisingly talked politics. Others who met with the LCR contingent were Lezlee Westine, director of the White House Office of Public Liaison, who outlined the administration's gay appointees, and one of those, AIDS czar Scott Evertz (former president of the LCR's Wisconsin chapter), reviewed what his boss is doing about the pandemic.

Brad Berenson, White House associate counsel, reviewed judicial nominations while James Wilkinson, deputy communications director, discussed message development and what it was like running the ``war room" communications center during the war in Afghanistan. Former Bush campaign political director Maria Cino talked about free trade and the impact on small businesses, such as those in the gay and lesbian community.

``White House briefings are opportunities to tell groups of people in government and in the community about the administrations' issues and priorities," LCR Public Affairs Director Kevin Ivers explained in an interview. ``There were several issues of importance to us, like HIV/AIDS and judicial nominees." Asked why judicial appointments are a major issue to gays (activists have opposed at least one of Bush's), he replied: ``Ask every gay organization that said it was during the last campaign. People seem to have very short memories." Ivers also said the gay Republicans spoke with O"Neil aboutthe progress of domestic-partner policies in corporate America and its impact on government. ``It was raised in advance," he reported. ``It was more about economic policy, but the issue was definitely discussed."

Earlier that day, Virginia Congressman Tom Davis, who chairs the National Republican Congressional Committee, and Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, chair of the Senate Republican Conference, were among those at a Capitol Hill briefing.

Gay GOP part of `team'

According to an LCR news release, Davis said the LCR is ``a very important part of our team" in the effort to retain and expand the Republican majority in the House. Others who attended included gay Arizona Congressman Jim Kolbe and two freshmen congressmen, Rob Simmons of Connecticut and Mike Ferguson of New Jersey, both of whom the LCR endorsed in the last elections. Sen. Gordon Smith of Oregon discussed a range of issues such as the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA) and adding sexual orientation to federal hate-crimes laws, another piece of pending legislation. Frist, chair of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, headlined an evening reception.

Unlike the historic White House briefing, meetings with Republican lawmakers are ``something we do on a regular basis," Ivers said. ``These are people who we"ve been meeting with at the staff level for the last year, but it was an opportunity for the entire leadership of the organization to meet with these people and give them feedback. It was very positive." Gay Democrats and advocates were equally upbeat about their 90-minute April 25 session in the large and ornate Mansfield Room just off the Senate floor. Organizers claimed it was the first time a Senate leadership committee of either party hosted a meeting with gay leaders to discuss strategy. The influential Democratic Steering & Coordination Committee develops and coordinates legislative and public policy positions for the party's senators, and recommends assignments to other Senate committees. A total of 16 senators exchanged ideas with leaders of 17 gay activist groups on the panoply of current community issues at the federal, state and local levels, including ENDA, HIV/AIDS, hate crimes and the need to create legal safeguards for gay families. Each activist came prepared with a 3-minute presentation about their pet issues.

``Kerry was engaged, asked good questions, demonstrated his understanding of many of these issues," HRC Public Policy Director Winnie Stachelberg, who joined Birch at the session, reported in an interview. ``[So did] all of the senators there. I think they walked away having learned something and all of us in the community walked away with a new appreciation of the commitment of the Democratic Caucus for equality for gay men and lesbians."

``I've been to these sessions before under the aegis of other civil rights leadership organizations and this was as good as if not better than those meetings," she added.

Riki Anne Wilchins, executive director of GenderPAC (Public Advocacy Coalition), said she discussed gender rights: ``We talked especially about the hate-crimes bill. We especially tried to underscore people like 17-year-old lesbian April Mora, who was slashed by razor blades because she looked like a boy, and 32-year-old Dawn Dawson, who was fired from an Estee Lauder subsidiary, allegedly because she looked too butch. ``I was encouraged that the senators took it to heart. We've had real success. Three years ago, no sitting Congress member protected gender expression, identity and characteristics. Now we're proud to say that 114 do, including 10 senators and 12 Republicans. It's been growing every month."

Jean of the NGLTF told Bay Windows she was shocked that the committee session was the first for gays and lesbians: ``I was stunned we hadn't had one before. It is exactly what needs to happen."

Jean noted that it was interesting that some of the major players like Lieberman and others kept on entering and exiting the room to take part in debate on the Bush energy bill on the Senate floor. She said she was disappointed that Lieberman was on the floor when the group discussed Bush's Faith-Based Initiative proposal. He and Santorum are working on a compromise that might resurrect the bill, stalled in the House. ``I hoped he would [have removed language] which would exempt religious recipients of federal funds from having to have a non-discrimination policy that included sexual orientation." She added that the group knew in advance that there was no way to know who was going to be in the room at a given time.

The energy bill vote meant that Democratic Majority Leader Tom Daschle of South Dakota had to remain on the floor to manage debate, but Majority Whip Harry Reid of Nevada attended part of the meeting.

In a brief interview, Mixner called the meeting ``pretty remarkable. I went in with very little expectations. The thing I was most impressed was that it really about issues. No one pitched money." He added that he ``was very impressed with [the senators'] response . I think they're really moving forward; the hate-crimes bill dramatically forward."

Mixner reported that he moved from Los Angeles, where he lived for more than 20 years, to Washington in December and is a freelance consultant specializing in long-term strategic planning and international affairs. ``I work out of my home so I can write," he explained. He's working on a stage play with the working title ``Buchanan" about the 19th century president.

Campbell Spencer, the Democratic National Committee's gay liaison, helped Kerry and the committee staff coordinate the session. She emphasized that it was not a one-shot deal, but the first in a continuing series that's part of a long-standing working relationship with GLBT community leaders.

While she praised the LCR meetings, saying the sessions both parties held ``are of consequence and should be celebrated absolutely, but we really need to draw a contrast while we are drawing a comparison. I think it offered a very clear inroad into the difference of these parties when it comes to the issues of gay and lesbian civil rights."

Spencer contended that the Republicans didn't have a deep discussion of those issues: ``In looking at the Administration's meeting, we know they talked to them about foreign policy, about the economic agenda. What we haven't heard is what the gay Republicans said to the Administration. They really haven't focused on the message because there isn't much to say. While that meeting offered access, that access was not used to further the agenda of gays and lesbians."

NSD Executive Director Chad Johnson, who attended the meeting, observed, ``It highlighted for me and hopefully for the others there amongst the LGBT leaders that if the Democrats didn't control the Senate, this meeting wouldn't be happening."

Of the LCR, Johnson said: ``They are satisfied in essence with being invited to a function with an important member of the Republican Party. But the huge difference is that they didn't sit around and talk about ENDA and hate crimes, families, Social Security [and] Sept. 11 domestic-partner problems."

He added that the GOP objective is to ``make the gay issue a non-issue, meaning it's okay if you're gay. You can still come to the party. Period. And it doesn't go beyond that."

Johnson noted that within three days of their meeting with the LCR, Frist and Davis were quoted by the Washington Times as having concerns about ENDA. ``They basically came out against ENDA when it is such an important issue. More than 80 percent of Americans support non-discrimination and the gay and lesbian Republicans are trotting out as allies those who are not supportive."

Bay Windows asked Charles Francis -- organizer of the ``Austin 12" meeting of gays with Bush during the 2000 presidential campaign and founder of the Republican Unity Coalition -- whether he'd consider trying to arrange a similar meeting with Republican senators. ``I think that's an interesting suggestion," he replied. ``I aspire to that. They [the Democrats] are ahead of us. I think it's a great idea."


465 posted on 07/16/2005 10:16:01 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: fatima
So you think they are a traitor?

No, traitor is too strong a word, as you well know. But the risk of turncoat activity, in favor of RATS, should be honestly evaluated, and not shouted down in favor of Orwellian buzzwords.

Full Disclosure:

As James Bond said in Diamonds are Forever "I've smelled that cologne before. And both times, I smelled a RAT!"

Go re-read my post #33. My troll-o-meterTM is beginning to register a signal.

466 posted on 07/16/2005 10:16:10 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Delphinium

Don't push it.


467 posted on 07/16/2005 10:16:38 PM PDT by John Robertson (Safe Travel)
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To: John Robertson

What's with the personal attacks, bro? You don't like my message, so it's attack the messanger?

Regarding homosexuals as relatives, since homosexuals are roughly 1-2.5% of the population at most, it's very common that a family, even extended family, will have no homosexuals in it. If every family had 10 children and each parent had 10 brothers and sisters and they each had 10 children, then maybe you might be right - at a family reunion of 100 people, one or two might be homosexual. But if one's immediate and slightly extended family consists of 10 people, there's a high probability that there will be not even one (1) homosexual among them.


468 posted on 07/16/2005 10:16:55 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: DameAutour

I disagree that homosexuality is not worse than other sins. Some sins are worse than others. It's simply a fact.

In Christ, of course, all sins can be forgiven. But that doesn't mean that each sin is equal in the extent of its damage, the immediacy of its destructiveness, or the subversiveness of its example.


469 posted on 07/16/2005 10:19:15 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: John Robertson

You're really going off the deep end. I hope you have a bib on to contain all the flying spittle.


470 posted on 07/16/2005 10:19:41 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: xzins

Why thank you.


471 posted on 07/16/2005 10:20:15 PM PDT by scripter (Let temporal things serve your use, but the eternal be the object of your desire.)
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To: Howlin

Pissing you off is my hobby.

Revealing Santorum's duplicity is just one way of doing it.


472 posted on 07/16/2005 10:22:25 PM PDT by Badray
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To: little jeremiah
since homosexuals are roughly 1-2.5% of the population at most

That's pretty close. The latest study put it at 2.1%. That's the average of the study: 1.5% female homosexuals and 2.8% male homosexuals. The study included bisexuals for both sexes.

473 posted on 07/16/2005 10:24:11 PM PDT by scripter (Let temporal things serve your use, but the eternal be the object of your desire.)
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To: Badray

"If the homosexual population is less than 3%, how do you figure that every family has someone that is homosexual?"

I don't know about that figure, and more to the point, neither do you. I suspect it's closer to three than ten, but then again, if ten is a ginned-up number, why isn't three? The stats have been lost in the whirlwind of political disagreement.

"Now you do sound like a gay rights activist promoting the idea that there are more gays than there really are. Why?"

I hope I answered that above, when I said, I don't really know how many gays there are--and I'm pretty sure no one really does, for sure.

My point about almost all families having gay members was not to suggest that today's small family of three or four or five might have a gay member (imagine the dinner table, everybody staring, wondering who's gay?), but to suggest that, among extended families, there are often gay members. All branches, cousins, etc.

I've answered you much more seriously than your snarky question deserved. Let's just call it noblesse oblige. (You'd BETTER run for that dictionary, Mofo!)


474 posted on 07/16/2005 10:25:07 PM PDT by John Robertson (Safe Travel)
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To: DameAutour

I agree with the points you made. At the same time, I personally would not hire a homosexual to be in a position as Santorum has especially being in the public eye. From my viewpoint, a person unrepentently engaged in grievous sin should not be given a highly trustworthy position. Doesn't mean I hate the person, in fact, I might love the person very much.

How a person behaves in his or her "personal" life affects the rest of their life as well.

But I don't fault Santorum; I don't condemn each and every individual who does things a tiny bit differently from the way I would do them. Santorum is a principled man, and most of the things I've read about him seem very good. I admit I was disgusted with his support of Specter, though. Still nauseates me when I think of it.


475 posted on 07/16/2005 10:25:18 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: John Robertson; Albion Wilde; little jeremiah
Don't push it.

You think you can scare me? Go ahead keep revealing yourself.

I am enjoying it actually.
476 posted on 07/16/2005 10:28:35 PM PDT by Delphinium
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To: xzins
But that doesn't mean that each sin is equal in the extent of its damage, the immediacy of its destructiveness, or the subversiveness of its example.

Indeed. While all sins can be forgiven, some sins carry much greater consequences... and we are free to pay the consequences of our sins.

477 posted on 07/16/2005 10:30:26 PM PDT by scripter (Let temporal things serve your use, but the eternal be the object of your desire.)
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To: little jeremiah; DameAutour

In our military, adultery is against the Uniform Code of Military Justice. More to the point, adultery in a unit demoralizes the families within the unit, causes suspicion amongst spouses, and leads to distrust among unit members.

Adultery actively & noticeably injures the unity of a combat team.

If your comrade or your leader will betray one they proclaim to love, why should you expect them to be loyal to you on the battlefield?

It decimates esprit de corps.


478 posted on 07/16/2005 10:31:50 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Republican Wildcat

Point out what I lied about or distorted?

I posted FACTS. They may be inconvenient for you, but they are facts. And since when is telling the truth considered bashing?

Was it "Give 'em Hell" Harry Truman who said, "All I did was tell the truth and he thought that it was Hell"?

He supported Specter. He sponsored, supported, and voted for the legislation that I mentioned. He has aligned himself with left wing zealots in an attempt to pander and buy votes.

Is wealth redistribution not socialistic?

Like I said, FACTS. You don't like it, but the truth doesn't always afford you a reality to your liking.


479 posted on 07/16/2005 10:32:57 PM PDT by Badray
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To: grey_whiskers

OK,You are saying "Do Ask and Do Tell"


480 posted on 07/16/2005 10:33:11 PM PDT by fatima
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