Why Can't The Gray Lady Read? (Rove not on AF1 with Powell and memo?)

CQ ^

[hipaatwo]

FYI to post #38 and #40.

[syriacus]

"This is one of the most reckless and nasty things I’ve seen in all my years of government," Schumer said. "Leaking the name of a CIA agent is tantamount to putting a gun to that agent’s head. It compromises her safety and the safety of her loved ones, not to mention those in her network and other operatives she may have dealt with. On top of that, the officials who have done it may have also seriously jeopardized the national security of this nation."

Let's backtrack a minute, Chuck.

Joey Wilson endangered Americans when he told the world, through his op-ed in the NY Times, that America probably went into Iraq under false pretenses.

[advance_copy]

BOLTON... IT HAD TO BE BOLTON!!

The fact that it was Carl "kiss up kick down" Ford who provided the memo to Colin Powell before he got on Air Force One is a curious coincidence, eh? Is Ford the leaker?

[prairiebreeze]

See post 37 and post 40. Very good recaps and analysis except for tying Judith Miller into the story, which is still a missing piece IMO.

Thanks hipaatwo, feel better.

[God luvs America]

any e-mail addresses for this Stevenson clown at the Slimes and/or fax numbers for the Slimes??

[Miss Marple]

JUST what I as going to post!!! This is a new and important fact!!

Either Joe Wilson had business in Niger (possibly uranium, since I can't imagine him trading in onions and cowpeas) OR Plame lied in order to get her husband to Niger. Either choice indicates all is not well with the Wilsons.

[johnny7]

Foggybottom is full of Dem-bootlickers. It won't be the first time this administration has been stabbed by compromised hacks.

[Laverne]

I still haven't seen a copy of the memo, but have heard it was written by kick-down/kiss-up criticizer Carl Ford. This gets more and more interesting, in that, wasn't it after Carl Ford testified that Biden and Dodd started demanding that they see the NSA intercepts on certain individuals? Egads; so now we have Rocerkfeller memo; the Wilson testimony about the forged documents (about which he said he mis-spoke, yeah right!), the bolton hearings, Voinivich crying, and Judith Miller still sitting in jail. Where will it end; and when????

[Miss Marple]

Here is the report. Be sure you read the whole article, plus some detailed commentary by a couple of posters in the replies.

[Dems_R_Losers]

I need to know when Wilson and Plame were married. Does anyone know?

[Miss Marple]

I have been searching. I found that they met in 1997, Wilson was divorced in 1998, and that she was also married before. That is all in the Vanity Fair article, which I had never read in its entirety.

And believe me, it is slow going, because every detail of the Plame/Wilson combo's lives reads like a bad novel. Way too much Brie, kitchen remodelling, foreign service tidbits for my taste.

Also, how come this article went into such detail? Cities in which she worked, attendance at the London School of Economics, etc. Seems to me that if she HAD been covert, those details should have been kept from the press. Some spy she is!

[Dems_R_Losers]

I think I found on another thread that they were married in April of 1998. That would have been right after Wilson left the White House and was setting up his "investment company." Just a year later she is recommending him to her CIA bosses for a trip to Niger because he has an upcoming business trip there. Here's a career diplomat who suddenly decides to go into business in Niger, one of the more dangerous places in the world? What business could he have had there, when the only exports from Niger were livestock, cowpeas, onions, and uranium?

Very convenient for him to marry a senior WMD analyst at the CIA right at the time he goes into the uranium business, eh?

Did you really believe that drivel in the Vanity Fair article about them seeing each other across the room and falling in love immediately? That whole article was ridiculous, I thought so at the time I first read it. A completely planted hagiography of both of them. Not the first time Vanity Fair has done this either, in its zeal to further its agenda against President Bush. That magazine has printed more bullshit and outright lies about the Bush Administration than The Nation or any other left-wing rag you can name.

I suspect that this was no marriage for love. Ms. Plame may end up being a victim here, not of Karl Rove or the White House, but of her own greedy husband who married her because of what she could do to help him make dirty money in the uranium business. And then he got her to recommend him for these CIA trips to Niger so he could cover his own tracks and make sure his pals in the Niger government who were helping him in his business didn't have anything that could be traced to Saddam Hussein. I think he spilled the beans when he talked about those forged memos months before the CIA supposedly even got them. And he thought Valerie had covered her tracks at the CIA, but neither of them realized that her emails had been saved. They are both in a boatload of trouble now.

[Protect the Bill of Rights]

I've mentioned this before, but still have no answers.
Wilson made his donations listing his employer as J C Wilson International Ventures Corp.

I have searched any and every corporation database I can fine. I can find no listing for this company (active, inactive, dissolved, revoked, etc). Nothing.

I did find this at :

http://discuss.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/zforum/03/sp_iraq_wilson040303.htm
(an interesting online discussion-)
"...Also, could you tell us a little bit about your company JC Wilson International? Thank you.

Joseph C. Wilson: WE do political risk assessment for companies wanting to do business in Africa Europe and the Middle East.
As to advisers: Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Bill Kristol et al.
Perle's study group produced a report for Bibi netnayahu in the mid 90s called A Clean Break, A new strategy for the realm
Read also the Project for a new American Century
Michael Ledeen from the American Enterprise INstitue is another leading figure. He is Mr. Total War, go to Iran after this..."

On the right is a link to his companies web page, but it inks to http://www.ihc.ucsb.edu/
(INTERDISCIPLINARY HUMANITIES CENTER (IHC) University of CAlifornia)

Doing a search on this site I found :
(located within their annual report)

THE GLOBAL PEACE, SECURITY AND HUMAN RIGHTS LECTURE SERIES
Hosted talks by Ambassador Joseph C.Wilson (author); Hassan M.Yousufzai (activist); Philip Gourevitch (journalist and author); Sandra Mackey (journalist, author, CNN commentator); Ashmed Rashid (author and reporter); Samantha Power (Carr Center for Human Rights Policy, John F.Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University)

But I did not find a corporate website for this company.

[Miss Marple]

I agree 100%. I posted on one of these threads that I thought his choice to investigate Niger made no sense, if you were trying to find out if Niger was selling uranium. You would send an undercover agent pretending to be someone interested in buying uranium, if you wanted to find out the truth.

Sending Wilson only made sense if you wanted to WARN the government of Niger that the jig was up. Now that we know he was already scheduling business trips to Iraq prior to this trip, he is an even more suspicious character.

And that Vanity Fair article hit the red zone on my gag-o-meter. I think Wilson wrote it himself; it sounds just like his overly dramatic renditions.

[hipaatwo]

Here is a link to the business but shocker, it's dead now. Someone scrubbed it from the net.

Wilson now "consults on business projects in Africa as JC Wilson International Ventures," "a firm specializing in Strategic Management and International Business Development. He is also an adjunct scholar at the Middle East Institute in Washington DC."

http://www.sourcewatch.org/wiki.phtml?title=Joseph_C._Wilson_IV

[EverOnward]

good read

[michaelt]

This is one of the links I was thinking about; I can't say I've read it recently, so I can't summarize what it says:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1256475/posts

[FReethesheeples]

Could minor Ambassador Joe Wilson himself have been the source in blowing his own Wife's cover?

It is distinctly possible, (though it may be unlikely that Joe Wilson himself directly was NY Times Judith Miller's source), since Joe Wilson himself evidently routinely bragged openly to strangers about her CIA employment, prior to such "cover" being "blown" in the press.

Here's an example of Joe's apparently routine and open bragging about Valerie being a "CIA agent," which became known directly to me over a year ago:

He certainly bragged about it per a famous and highly reliable source's (named below) account of his own face-to-face encounter with Amb. Joe Wilson prior to Valerie Plame's "outing" as a CIA agent/employee.

Based upon a personal conversation (we were in a small group eating; it was NOT an "off the record") I had with eminent historian Victor Davis Hanson (we were at a luncheon table together during a trip to Europe), it appeared entirely possible that Joe Wilson himself was the (or one source, if not the original one) possible source in revealing his own wife's status as a CIA agent or employee.

Victor Davis Hanson (Wilson presumably knew Victor Davis Hanson wrote regularly for NRO (National Review Online), had done OpEds for the Wall street Journal, and other publications, and had his own Website with a widespread following) said he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were both in the same "Green Room" before a televised debate-discussion on Iraq, etc. and Joe first warned the TV make-up person not to get powder on his $14,000 Rolex watch, then he bragged to Victor about several things (possessions and trips to Aspen, etc.), like his expensive car (I think it was a Mercedes), and then bragged about his beautiful wife who, Joe Wilson said (braggingly) was a CIA operative.

I asked Victor Davis Hanson Why he didn't write up this account.(?) He replied that Joe Wilson would probably simply deny it, since only he (VDH) & Joe Wilson were in the Green Room together before the broadcast.

However, it is now easy to surmise that Joe Wilson is a crass, materialistic, self-promoting, vain, egotistical, bragaddocio-opportunist, so this account is perfectly consistent with Valerie Plame's TWO photo shoots in Vanity Fair. (Or was it Vogue? No, probably too crass for Vogue, n'est pas?)