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1 posted on 07/14/2005 8:27:58 PM PDT by freedrudge
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Don't you just love the way that the author of the article, Mr. Johnston, alternates between delivering a narrative of factual information that clearly appears to exonerate Rove of any wrongdoing, and then delivering Democrat-inspired commentary that appears to deliberately ignore the facts that were just placed on the table and instead states that the revelations portend a rough road ahead for Karl Rove and President Bush?

It is almost as if two different hands were typing the article (for argument's sake, let's call them "the good hand" and "the bad hand") - the good hand is sticking to assertions of fact that can be proven or disproven, but the facts on the table seem to be in agreement with the essence of Mr. Rove's known explanation as well as with Mr. Novak's explanation. Yet, right out of a Jekyll/Hyde tale, the bad hand intrudes with its non-sequitur anti-Rove, anti-Bush commentary. So, is Mr. Johnston a schizo, or was he compelled by evil editor-drones to adhere to the Times' anti-Bush political bias litmus test despite the pesky facts getting in the way of the desired rhetorical direction?

112 posted on 07/14/2005 9:06:07 PM PDT by Zeppo
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who could possibly be "thoroughly" briefed on the matter ?
Tenet ?
118 posted on 07/14/2005 9:07:57 PM PDT by stylin19a (Suicide bomber ??? "I came to the wrong jihad")
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BTW--Novak's having a great month, huh? Turns out this whole thing is probably perpetuated by him in order to keep himself in the headlines, and then on top of it he says Rhenquist will resign last Friday at 5PM.


120 posted on 07/14/2005 9:09:52 PM PDT by Dr.Hilarious (If Al Qaeda took over the judiciary and mainstream media, would we know the difference?)
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If you take out the marginally-minded authors' non-factual statements, the article is actually a great source of information to show that Karl Rove did nothing wrong or unethical.

"seemed almost certain to intensify the question"

um, no...it doesn't.

"raises a question the White House has never addressed: whether Mr. Rove ever described that conversation, or his conversation with Mr. Cooper, with the president."

Are they going to blame the President for the leak now?

"but many aspects of it remain shrouded in secrecy. It is unknown who Mr. Novak's other source might be or how that source learned of Ms. Wilson's identity as a C.I.A. official. "

Except for that one little bit of info which as I so far know, no one is claiming was Rove's clone, we know an awful lot about Karl Rove's role in this which is a guy who answered some reporters' questions when asked. Sheesh, you can't not talk to the vultures, you can't talk to the vultures.

All the rest of the partisan editorializing masquerading as reporting is non-sensical if you look at the facts of what they present in the first part of the story.

Bunch of morons for sure.

121 posted on 07/14/2005 9:10:26 PM PDT by WKL815 (Liberal logic is oxymoronic and plain moronic too!)
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BREAKING HARD --- WILL DFU FACE A GRAND JURY FOR NAMING STEVEN D. LAVINE OF THE CIA?
123 posted on 07/14/2005 9:10:53 PM PDT by doug from upland (The Hillary documentary is coming)
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I can't believe how many article has been written on Rove. Truly amazing at how rabid the left is.


131 posted on 07/14/2005 9:16:44 PM PDT by dc27
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So what we have our reporters, and I use the term loosely, gossiping throughout Washington. THEY told Rove, not vice versa.

I thank the NYT's for unknowingly continuing to vindicate Karl. LOL


138 posted on 07/14/2005 9:20:06 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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The story vindicates Rove! Novak told ROVE the name!


139 posted on 07/14/2005 9:20:18 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (North Texas Solutions http://ntxsolutions.com)
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The NYSlimes, ran Abu Grahb everyday for a month. They will do the same thing with Rove. I see no reason to get upset. Rove did nothing wrong. It's just the NYSlimes up to their old tricks.


142 posted on 07/14/2005 9:21:15 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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I am beginning to believe the hypothesis that Fitzgerald is now looking into whether Rove told him the truth about who he spoke to and when.

The fact that Novak told Rove first isn't as important to obstruction charges as the fact that Rove spoke to him, if Rove testified that he did not speak to Novak, or something along those lines.

Next we could hear about Martha Stewart being jailed and how this is the same thing, or something to that effect.

That's what I get from this snippet, having already wholly discredited in my mind the notion that Rove did anything wrong while communicating with journalists.


145 posted on 07/14/2005 9:24:40 PM PDT by Kryptonite
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What the Times did not report in this article (and what the AP is now reporting) is that Robert Novak called Karl Rove. This omission by the NYT is important since the entire liberal spin is that Rove ran around telling this to any reporter that would listen in order to get even with Joe Wilson. Obviously we now know that wasn't true and is looks like this one, like so many others, is falling on its' ass.
172 posted on 07/14/2005 9:39:49 PM PDT by blake6900
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identified a C.I.A. officer who was undercover,

This LIE underpins the entire DemonicRat argument,,,, she was brought back from overseas in 1997 six years before the incident with Rove and Novak, the Statute has a 5 year limit on any liability. And only for CIA operatives overseas is it applicable!

186 posted on 07/14/2005 10:14:03 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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Liberals gasping for air after a failed got-ya story blows up in their face. If anything this is liberal incest at its best between Wilson the Democrats and the MSM.
187 posted on 07/14/2005 10:16:45 PM PDT by april15Bendovr
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Liberals and the media when examined under the microscope.
190 posted on 07/14/2005 10:24:57 PM PDT by april15Bendovr
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Can somebody help me refute a RAT at work who says if this had happened in a DemoRAT White House there would already be Congressional hearings on this and Talk Radio would be talking about it 24/7? Basically accusing us of hypocracy in other words. I just told them that knowing the kind of people in this administration, I give them the benefit of the doubt, where I wouldn't if it was a RAT president. Of course that doesn't go very far with the libs.


199 posted on 07/15/2005 2:04:41 AM PDT by balch3
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LOL, what a title. Leave it to the NYT.


203 posted on 07/15/2005 4:52:09 AM PDT by mware ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche........ "Nope, you are"-- GOD)
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The writer of this article carefully chose their words to make Rove look as bad as possible. Nice going, Times.


210 posted on 07/15/2005 5:54:44 AM PDT by popdonnelly
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Correction: Tuesday, July 19:

A front-page subheading on Friday with an article about the disputed involvement of Karl Rove, the White House senior adviser, in leaking the name of a C.I.A. officer omitted attribution for an account of Mr. Rove's words to the columnist Robert D. Novak. The conversation was described by someone who had been officially briefed on the matter. According to the account, Mr. Rove said "I heard that, too" after hearing about the officer from the columnist. The subheading should not have attributed the account of that comment directly to Mr. Rove.

225 posted on 07/19/2005 8:09:03 AM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection (Why Hasn't Anyone Asked The NYT About The Leak?)
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