Posted on 07/14/2005 3:49:50 PM PDT by WmShirerAdmirer
Islam isn't a race. Blacks can be every bit as Anglicized as the typical Brit or American. You're just dodging the facts: the UK (and the United States) invited too many Muslims into the country, and the enemy is now inside the gates. It's not about race, it's about culture.
Are you blind or stupid? I just told you that Nick Griffin even stood for Parliament. There are BNP councillors in Burnley. The organisation is not banned at present.
I think you need to examine your assumptions about freedom of speech. You might want to rethink your firearms laws.
I am not interested in being lectured in law by someone who thinks disturbing the peace is acceptable so long as you're forming an anti-Muslim lynch mob.
And yes, I'm serious about deporting people. The current American president isn't willing to deport illegal Hispanic immigrants let alone Islamists. The American continent is clogged with devout Muslim immigrants and converts.
Name one Represenative, Senator, or Governor who agrees with your position. If you can't name one, then there is no reason to mistake your desire for mass Muslim deportation as a serious policy option. Just because you think something doesn't make it relevant or important.
The camps will come, just maybe not this month. They'll come to the UK. You'll be begging for them before this is over. And you'll no doubt be in violation of the same hate speech laws that make you so proud today.
As pointed out, there are "hate speech" laws already in every country. It's called disturbing the peace and incitement to a riot - both are offenses in America and Britain.
But please do feel free to form an anti-Muslim mob in your home town. When the police come and throw you in either prison or the loony bin, we'll have a good laugh about it back here on FR.
Ivan
By the way, I just showed you the BNP doesn't have "strong opinions". They're opportunists and traitors. Nick Griffin is an actual traitor to this country for seeking aid from Libya and supporting Iran. If you really think that they are the answer to the problems facing the UK, you are a totally brain dead moron.
Ivan
But now he's facing charges for what he said, among friends. I've read the stories. I know what he's up against. I could be charged in the UK for what I've said right here, and you know it. "Disturbing the peace" does not apply to someone demanding reprisals against an internal enemy that has proven itself to be deadly again and again. No matter how much you dislike what someone is saying, simple speech is not disturbing the peace. That's some twisted vestige of empire, no doubt.
Name one Represenative, Senator, or Governor who agrees with your position.
Are you kidding? Why don't you ask me about the people? The politicians are afraid of their own shadows. The common citizens are starting to talk internment and deportation, especially after 7/7. The next attacks could kill hundreds of thousands, in case you're not thinking this through carefully.
It's called disturbing the peace and incitement to a riot - both are offenses in America and Britain.
Nonsense, there are no federal laws against speaking one's mind about race and religion in this country. In fact, it's constitutionally protected speech, no matter how unpopular it is. You're living in the dusty afterglow of empire over there in the UK and you actually think that people's throats are the property of the state. It's not true.
When the police come and throw you in either prison or the loony bin, we'll have a good laugh about it back here on FR.
I think you're just not ready to face the deadly facts of this situation. You've swung over from being a trendy "goth" who supported the Iraq war (what was the point, if not to win the world war?) and even got angry about the 7/7 attacks -- to someone who can't see that it's a civilizational war we're fighting.
But "Mad" Ivan, I like you. You're funny, and you're loyal, and you're a Brit of some kind apparently. I even think it's good that you came back after some tiff you had with who knows who on FR. Please, keep speaking your mind. When the nuke goes off in one of the other cities in the UK, please come and let us know how you and your family are doing.
It's interesting you've aligned yourself with the British since 7/7 and yet none of them appears to want you. Hopefully, you'll toddle back to Ohio. You'll be safe there.
I didn't say that I supported the BNP. You keep thinking that free speech is only for those with whom your disagreements aren't serious enough. That's not how free speech works.
Clearly you're not the only "Brit" in England, if you're even a Brit.
If you're inciting a riot, which Nick Griffin has the power to do, it's not like if your Joe Q. Average. Try again.
Are you kidding? Why don't you ask me about the people? The politicians are afraid of their own shadows. The common citizens are starting to talk internment and deportation, especially after 7/7. The next attacks could kill hundreds of thousands, in case you're not thinking this through carefully.
So in other words there are no politicians who agree with your position and thus no one who will execute on it. So the whole mass deportation idea is just a political wet dream on your part. Next.
Nonsense, there are no federal laws against speaking one's mind about race and religion in this country.
Ah ha, no "federal" laws. There are state laws, and secondly, Nick Griffin, again, was not Joe Q. Average - he could actually execute on a riot.
I think you're just not ready to face the deadly facts of this situation. You've swung over from being a trendy "goth" who supported the Iraq war (what was the point, if not to win the world war?) and even got angry about the 7/7 attacks -- to someone who can't see that it's a civilizational war we're fighting.
I haven't changed one bit. You're just some wanker who thinks the BNP is bloody wonderful, in spite of what I've shown you. If I had my way, Winston would have had them killed during World War II - they were traitors then, and traitors now, and traitors deserve the rope - whether they're Nazis or Islamists. From my perspective, you're intellectually fellating people who do not have my country's interests at heart and to no good end.
But "Mad" Ivan, I like you. You're funny, and you're loyal, and you're a Brit of some kind apparently. I even think it's good that you came back after some tiff you had with who knows who on FR. Please, keep speaking your mind. When the nuke goes off in one of the other cities in the UK, please come and let us know how you and your family are doing.
I don't like anyone who supports the BNP, Al Qaeda, the Communist Party, etc. Your support for the BNP puts you in my books with say, George Galloway and Osama. And Nick Griffin.
Ivan
There's only one eye in Ohio.
So Griffy was inciting a riot among friends? And a state-owned media informer just happened to record his private conversation? You're an incredible hypocrite if you think there's nothing wrong with that picture, no matter what you think of Griffy.
And it's revealing how little you regard the people's opinions about internment camps -- something Michelle Malkin supports, and other conservative thinkers in America. You're only interested in what your precious Bush-Blair team would approve. They'll be out of office soon enough, and others will take their place. But you can wait for the nukes in your cities? I'm amazed at your stiff upper lip.
It's funny that you think I'm a BNP supporter. I read the text of your Commons-passed Race and Religious Hate law. That was enough. What hypocrisy. This is seriously going to cost you in the UK. I'd think 7/7 would have woken you up, but from talking with you and the other two "Brits" on this thread, it's really not clear that anything changed at all. You're going to get a serious WMD attack on your own soil, and it could have been stopped. Instead you were chasing unruly Neonazis.
Their leads might take them to any pathological con-man who utters the word "infidel" or "vast right-wing conspiracy"
I apologise for the MTV link, but it looks like they might have arrested the guy and this was one of the more detailed stories: http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1505791/20050715/index.jhtml?headlines=true
http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=68658 - enzyme immobilization, with reference links (we trust these people to study this stuff in the west, why?)
Khalid Shake Mohammed, the grubby mohammadman in a T shirt, Osama's right hand man, was educated at North Carolina A&T, wasn't he? What's with North Carolina? General Lee never said "Allah" bless North Carolina.
It's an outrage that these enemies of the west are encamped right on that hallowed ground.
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