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A little birdie told me what the Rove thing is all about.

Posted on 07/14/2005 1:50:45 PM PDT by Pukin Dog

Don’t ask me, because you know I won’t tell you how I came across this information.

Here is the scoop.

This is all about the Supreme Court.

With the knowledge that Rove was Matthew Cooper’s background source regarding the Plame incident, no matter the fact that no laws were broken, the Democrats leaped upon the matter as a way for Democrats and the MSM to possibly prevent Bush from changing the makeup of the Supreme Court. Under normal circumstances, Democrats cannot stop Bush from reshaping the Supreme Court, and that has Democrats terrified. They cannot sustain a Filibuster without Frist invoking the Nuclear Option on them, so they only have one last option, which is now underway.

The Democrats must demonize Bush to the degree that they can then begin their long-awaited impeachment articles, with the MSM in tow. If Congress can introduce articles of impeachment against Bush, then the MSM will demand that Bush postpone any nominations to the Supreme Court until the matter is decided. It is the only hope they have left of preventing a Conservative Supreme Court from taking hold, and if they do not accomplish this, the flow of money into Democratic coffers will stop instantaneously.

Next week, you will begin to hear Democrats suggesting that if Bush does not fire Karl Rove, then he is guilty of “Obstruction of Justice” and “Lying to the American People” in order to protect a friend. The Media will play along dutifully, because it was there idea in the first place.

Forget about Judith Miller.

Because the Special Prosecutor has asked the White House not to discuss the matter, no one will be able to inform Miller or the NY Times on how Miller should lie to save herself. Without that knowledge, the Times will not let her testify at all. They are paying her to be silent, and it is they who are actually guilty of ‘Obstruction of Justice’ Miller knows who the leaker is, and you all know who I believe that person to be.

What you all are about to see, is the most coordinated, vicious attack ever in the history of Politics against this administration, because those involved have everything at stake. Without control of the Supreme Court, the Liberal agenda is dead for the next 30-40 years. All of their Environmental nonsense, Abortion, Private Property, Affirmative Action and Civil Rights issues go right down the tubes.

The Bush Administration is aware of what is to come, and might be able to prevent it with a little ‘inside baseball’ but the looniest on the left will attempt this no matter what the outcome.

Expect editorials next week, arguing whether or not it is fair for a president who “stole the first election” and won the second election by the “smallest margin of any incumbent President” who is “embroiled in a National Security Scandal” to be deciding on the makeup of the Supreme Court. At the same time, Liberal Senators will begin to suggest that Conformation hearings on anyone Bush selects should be postponed until the investigations are over. Unfortunately for our side, they have an alley in one Arlen Specter. They will be leaning heavily on him to go along with delayed hearings. Specter is already angry with Bush over the Stem-cell research issue.

Will it work? No. Why? Because Bush understands the law, and also understands (with Rove’s help) that no matter how loud and long the Democrats scream, they and the MSM really cant do anything about the Supreme Court, but can effect public opinion. Bush, by telling Republicans to shut up about his choice, has set precedent for when he tells (by his Supreme Court selections) the Democrats the same thing. If he ignores both sides, he can just choose who he wants, and that is exactly what he will do.

So get ready for an ugly, ugly Summer and Fall. Don’t expect to hear much from Bush on Rove, or the Courts after he makes his selections. Republicans in Congress will also be silent (except Specter and Hagel) and will not risk their own re-elections and legacies to side with Democrats this time round.

So there it is, take it or leave it. I wont answer any questions about how or where I got the information, so don’t ask me.

-PD


TOPICS: Front Page News; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: cialeak; josephwilson; judithmiller; karlrove; liars; liberals; losers; medialeakers; pukindogsdaman; valerieplame
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To: Cosmo

exactly - Bush said someone would have had to break the law - something the MSM always leaves out about what he said


301 posted on 07/14/2005 4:31:28 PM PDT by canadiancapitalist
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To: netmilsmom

I wonder if the birdie was the canary in the mine.


302 posted on 07/14/2005 4:32:02 PM PDT by moog
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To: lepton; Arpege92
I'm not sure asking for Rove's resignation would defuse the situation....it might inflame it more by the lib's going public claiming that Rove was just covering for Bush and that's why Bush asked for his resignation.

Something like that would certainly be a result.

What the hell are you two smoking? Are you suggesting that Bush was the leaker?????

303 posted on 07/14/2005 4:34:37 PM PDT by iconoclast (If you only read ONE book this year, make sure it's Colonel David Hunt's !!!)
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To: iconoclast

you sound like a lib that wants to read into the constitution rather than just read what it says


304 posted on 07/14/2005 4:36:48 PM PDT by canadiancapitalist
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To: iconoclast
He's not "innocent", furthermore he was stupid, furthermore his not-real-bright boss compounded the problem by opening his yap.

Ahhh, I see. You like to throw fight with me bombs.

Rove is innocent!!!! If you're so pig-headed that you can't see that, or you hate Bush and Rove so much that it is blinding you to that fact, I'm wasting my time on you.

Go fight with someone else.

305 posted on 07/14/2005 4:37:39 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Pukin Dog
Either get your facts right or shut up. If you have nothing to add to the thread beyond your uniformed opinion, I suggest you take the time to do some reading on the subject.

Get specific on my "error(s)" or STFU!

306 posted on 07/14/2005 4:37:43 PM PDT by iconoclast (If you only read ONE book this year, make sure it's Colonel David Hunt's !!!)
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To: Pukin Dog

The Left Wing loonies are dead, Fatwa, think-about-nothing-else-but serious about trying to impeach Bush. Ever since the Clinton impeachment debacle, they have promised themselves that the next GOPer as to be president would get the treatment. Too bad Clinton was impeached on the basis of (or I should say, ONLY on the basis of) the Lewinsky lies when there were things like taking dirty money from the ChiComs in return for secrets and spying "rights," filegate, letting his wife interfere with government business and who knows what other crimes. Well, here we are. We need to shut them down before they can start.


307 posted on 07/14/2005 4:42:36 PM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: iconoclast

Then according to you, Rove and any other federal employee who mentions George Tenent or Porter Goss should be fired?

How much do you know about exactly HOW the government works? Obviously not very much if you don't know that imformation is swamped 24/7 there.........that is ALL he did.

But, of course, you, like the Democrats, would just LOVE to find ANYTHING to trash Bush with.


308 posted on 07/14/2005 4:45:01 PM PDT by Howlin (Who is Judith Miller covering up for?)
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To: Pukin Dog
If you believe that, then put up a fact or two? Happy hunting, because there are NO facts supporting your opinion. None.

1) The overly-cocky Rove committed the unpardonable, mortal (Bush) sin of LEAKING!

2) Bush clearly stated (unless you allow Clinton like qualifications) that the leaker would be CANNED!

Botta Bing, Botta Boom!

PS ....... who the hell do you think you are, the FR Pope?

309 posted on 07/14/2005 4:45:52 PM PDT by iconoclast (If you only read ONE book this year, make sure it's Colonel David Hunt's !!!)
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To: andyk
If this is true, however, she could've and should've refused to answer on the grounds that she may incriminate herself. Certainly she doesn't have a confidentiality agreement with herself?!

The obvious answer to that question is that somebody ELSE told her -- and that somebody is a big fat Democrat.

310 posted on 07/14/2005 4:46:03 PM PDT by Howlin (Who is Judith Miller covering up for?)
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To: Pukin Dog; CHARLITE

Pukin, I don't doubt it. there are no depths so low that the Dims can't plumb them.

Charlite - PING


311 posted on 07/14/2005 4:46:18 PM PDT by King Prout (I'd say I missed ya, but that'd be untrue... I NEVER MISS)
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To: Pukin Dog

Much speculation that it was leaked by Miller. Does anyone think Novak may have told Rove. Miller to Novak to Rove? He did write the original story. Oh hell, my head is distractingly spinning.


312 posted on 07/14/2005 4:48:17 PM PDT by Archon of the East ("universal executive power of the law of nature")
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To: Pukin Dog; Neets; Darksheare; scott0347; timpad; Conspiracy Guy; NYC GOP Chick; MeekOneGOP; ...

pUKIN dOG NAILS IT (HE HAS AN ANNOYING KNACK FOR DOING THAT)
SPREAD THE WORD


313 posted on 07/14/2005 4:49:16 PM PDT by King Prout (I'd say I missed ya, but that'd be untrue... I NEVER MISS)
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To: Pukin Dog

PD....how is the Repub controlled Congress going to bring articles of impeachment...?


314 posted on 07/14/2005 4:50:08 PM PDT by mystery-ak (The real Supreme Court meets up here...God)
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To: lmr
In AD&D Rules, the Dems would be described as Chaotic Neutral. Republicans of course would be described as Lawful Good.

Like I said, we "modified" the rules... And the dem leadership would be "Amoral Evil."

Mark

315 posted on 07/14/2005 4:51:56 PM PDT by MarkL (It was a shocking cock-up. The mice were furious!)
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To: iconoclast
1) The overly-cocky Rove committed the unpardonable, mortal (Bush) sin of LEAKING!

Assumes facts not in evidence.

(1) If Plame wasn't an active, covert agent, the leak wasn't illegal.

(2) Even the WP reported that reporters might have told government officials (possibly including Rove, but this isn't mentioned) Plame's name. In which case, Rove isn't the leaker, even notwithstanding (1).

(3) What's up with Miller and the NY Slimes? They asked for an investigation, and now their own reporter sits in jail for failure to testify before a grand jury. Gee, do you suppose Plame (or Wilson) told Miller of Plame's employment, and then Miller told Rove, who then told Novak? This scenario explains at least two things: Why Rove and Bush are so confident, and why Miller refuses to testify.

316 posted on 07/14/2005 4:54:05 PM PDT by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: petitfour; Pukin Dog
Karl Rove leaked this to you, right??????????????

No Pukin Dog is Karl Rove. Isn't it obvious? Both of their names have eight letters!

317 posted on 07/14/2005 4:54:23 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Warning: May bite)
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To: iconoclast
PS ....... who the hell do you think you are, the FR Pope?

No, but I am the spelling champion of VF-143.

318 posted on 07/14/2005 4:54:50 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: pbrown
Rove is innocent!!!!

We're close to agreement.

Rove is an innocent jerk that opened his yap when he shouldn't have.

Bush is an innocent jerk that got hoist on his own petard (his obsession with leak prevention).

319 posted on 07/14/2005 4:55:21 PM PDT by iconoclast (If you only read ONE book this year, make sure it's Colonel David Hunt's !!!)
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To: mystery-ak
I should have clarified that they Dems will want them(articles of impeachment)but not get them. They know that going in, unless they can create such a storm of public opinion that the stink would begin to effect the silly moderates. There is nothing to worry about.
320 posted on 07/14/2005 4:57:13 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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