Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 7

Various News Sources | 7/14/05

[hummingbird]

Thanks, TexKat!

[TexKat]

well if the cellphone guy IS the DEA agent in question

Imho, the DEA agent in question is not the cellphone guy. The way it looks, the cellphone guy was contacted by the DEA agent. (see Greta's interview of Charles Croes, he states that he was contacted by a friend. My assumption is that friend was the DEA agent). Also I believe that particular DEA agent has been on O'Reilly a couple of times early on in the case. His name escapes me at the present. I will have to look it up.

[hummingbird]

Thanks for info on "Jingles"....I've never heard of the movie but Tom Selleck is "hot" so I'll probably check it out...heh, heh, heh!

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

you can call and ask him

and the hotties can also call him :)

http://bb.visitaruba.com/archive/index.php/t-1868.html

[TexKat]

We already had someone here e-mail him (C Croes)the day after his interview on Greta and she invited him to join us on FR.

I don't think she ever heard back from him or if she did, she did not tell us. lol.

[TexKat]

Charles Croes had a posting on Aruba.com regarding the case that he posted after his On The Record interview. Did you read it? It was copied and pasted here on FR on one of the threads.

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

if I did, I have forgotten.

btw, 15 minutes till Beth on Geralfo's re-run of tonites show

(great typo, I'll just leave it, LOL)

[TexKat]

http://www.aruba.com/msgbrd/read.php?f=1&i=122901&t=122718

Author: Charles (---.setardsl.aw) Date: 06-02-05 09:01

There are issues in this case that can go beyond the obvious in their implications.

It will take time for all the information regarding this lovely child to come out. Some of it will be hard to handle and some of it will be expected. With regards to the family of this missing child, my prayers are with you.

I was with them on the first night they arrived to ARuba (looking for their daughter) from midnight until 5:30 AM and have kept in touch. In my opinion, this issue has far reaching implications for all those involved.

I wish all of us strength

charles 
arubafastphones.com

[TexKat]

What is your take on C Croes statement of: In my opinion, this issue has far reaching implications for all those involved.

I wish all of us strength>?

[justche]

There was also an interview where he said something to the effect "he's had the pleasure of serving the United States" I think he's lived here as well. The theory being--military or DEA or some such.

[justche]

One of the attributes of the sociopath is an inability to recognize his own error. The sociopath can lie, swindle, and abuse, and never really understand why everybody gets so worked up about it. Without the capacity to feel pain, the sociopath injures himself and others and totally ignores it. He makes mistakes and goes on as if nothing happened. Other symptoms include impulsiveness, irritability, aggressiveness, recklessness and remorselessness.

Totally describes someone I was married to....and I see the same expressions (and lack of) on Joran's face.

[justche]

I really should read all the posts while catching up before replying, but then I forget which ones I wanted to reply to...sorry for the duplicate info!

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

one possibility, since he qualifies it as his opinion, that others are at risk as well.

could be a veiled threat.

could be fear for himself.

might have said it to mitigate the pathetic and obstructed "investigation"

I don't know what to think of him, except that I am not inclined to accept him at face value.....and I mean beyond whether or not he is the DEA agent.

BTW, Beth DID say that the cops 'didn't request' a statement from the DEA agent, rather than 'wouldn't accept' one, like I thought I heard at 10pm. Hopefully he took the initiative to prepare and send one timely to FBI/DEA, in case it can be used as evidence in court.

One thing about the cops and the DEA guy......the cops in aruba knowing the ID of a DEA guy is the same as those he is seeking info on knowing, since aruba is corrupt in such a round-robin way. Their cops and our DEA are not on the same side where drugs and money laundering are concerned.

[Vn_survivor_67-68]

and keeping our FBI at arns length in this "investigation" after inviting the FBI assistance demonstrates clearly that their cops and our FBI are not on the same side in the disappearance of Natalee, either!

[TexKat]

Another earlier post on Aruba.com of Charles Croes.

emails posted at SM - no source: 
Author: Charles (---.setardsl.aw) 
Date: 06-16-05 08:23 

ENRIQUE,

YOUR REMARK HAS CAUSED ME TO RECIEVE OVER 150 MAILS ASKING IF YOU COULD BE CORRECT OR WHAT MY TIES ARE WITH THE CASE. YOU NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL WITH YOUR STATEMENTS. TO SLAM MY BUSINESS IS ONE THING BUT TO HINT AT CRIMINAL IMPLICATION IS SOMETHING ELSE.

I RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO STOP THIS AT ONCE.

CHARLES CROES

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Re: cell phones 
Author: Robert (70.56.239.---) 
Date: 06-16-05 10:56 

Charles. There is nothing to worry about. We all know even if you have ties with the case nothing will be done about. But it does sound like you are nervous about something.

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Re: cell phones 
Author: Charles (---.setardsl.aw) 
Date: 06-16-05 15:05 

Robert, 
Perceptive guy indeed. 

Not so much nervous as tired and a bit frayed around the edges. Work has piled up and trying to keep things going while involved in other issues is tough.

Thanks for your note. 
charles 
arubafastphones.com 

[cajungirl]

I think it was calculated and I think Greta is part of the whole team of holloway/twittys who are trying to solve the case. Greta is part of it, you can tell.

And I am glad she is.

[cajungirl]

yep, and the part of the interview that was not aired is the good part!

[cajungirl]

Mansurs are Lebanese

[sarasota]

Perhaps he retracted his confession after his father took care of the body and told him "No body, no crime."

[cajungirl]

Totally describes a dog we had once, no kidding. The dog was a doggie sociopath. No affection for us or anyone, did exactly what he wanted, was defiant, reckless, remorseless. I don't think he lied but who knows.