Risk management: Islam, the West’s unmanageable liability - (shouldn't we be deporting them?)

JIHAD WATCH.ORG ^ | JULY 12, 2005 | D.C. WATSON

[CHARLITE]

DC Watson on reality and dhimmi wishful thinking:

The warnings came for decades. The threats of Islamic terrorism in the West, once thought to be empty, have become all too real for everyone living in the civilized world. While it is absolutely appropriate for Westerners to practice tolerance of immigrants, Islamic migrants, not all but many, bring with them a duty to participate in Muhammad’s fantasy of an Islamic planet earth. There is no sense in wasting time trying to “change the mindset” of this culture. They are a driven people. Driven by a backward, racist, sexist ideology, directed by the Qur’an -- with terror networks, Muslim advocacy organizations, imams, and clerics serving as reminders to Muslims who may happen to enjoy freedom that their central duty is to Allah, and Allah only.

Islamophobia, paranoia, and intolerance have nothing to do with it. The facts speak plainly for themselves. Iraq, Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine, the Philippines, Sudan, or Nigeria have nothing to do with it either. These are merely feeble excuses, cloaked in an “American foreign policy” shroud. Excuses they use to further Muhammad’s plan. Not all Muslims appear to be so hell bent on this, but since they sit silently on the sidelines, deciphering the difference between them shouldn’t be our responsibility.

While it’s nice to be nice, why would anyone want to demonstrate kindness to those who would just as soon cut our throats to obtain what the Qur’an commands them to obtain?

While tolerance is a good thing, tolerance of the intolerant is suicidal. There comes a time when we must recognize a threat which, if not eliminated, could end our existence as we know it. That time would be right about now.

Let no soft spoken Muslim representative fool you into believing that Islamic law, known as the Shari’ah, is in any way compatible with democracy. It is not. Let no smiling Muslim representative fool you into believing that Islam is a religion based on tolerance. It is not. Muslim groups, especially ones under scrutiny for their questionable ties and methods, not only have no business operating here, but also have no business speaking to unassuming American school students about Islam.

American public school systems and their administrators have a difficult job to do, and they should be commended for their work. However, they should know that with regard to Islam, on many occasions, their guest speakers have been among those who wish to implement Islamic law in the United States.

While we argue amongst ourselves in Western society, those who follow the fundamentals of Islam wait to pounce. We cannot allow our political differences to destroy what so many have sacrificed for. Elected officials in the West are counting only votes. Some are so self-absorbed that they appear to be willing to sacrifice the safety of America and her allies to avoid being falsely labeled as bigots. They're putting everyone in jeopardy. While we’re spending countless billions in Iraq, we’re also spending billions here at home.

Due to Islam, not Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Atheism, or little old ladies in wheelchairs, but only Islam, the West is on alert and has been for a substantial amount of time. Ridiculously long waits at airports, bus stations, and train stations, stepped-up security at sporting and entertainment events, additional police patrols, you name it. This doesn’t come cheap, and we’re footing the bill. A bill with a sum reaching into several billion dollars per annum.

It’s quite a shame because the billions of dollars spent babysitting this particular community would be much better spent on programs that would benefit American families.

This is not a Republican or Democrat issue. Frankly, I voted for representatives of both parties at various levels of government in the last election, and I carry no water for either side of the aisle. This is an American issue. Left or right is irrelevant. Islamic law would obliterate the freedoms that all of us are offered and enjoy.

Due to Muslim immigration policies, and the fact that these billions of dollars are now being spent monitoring them, we’ve become the world’s largest day care center. We can’t even get straight answers out of the organizations who claim to represent Muslims in the West. Although they’ve made clear their intentions of converting America to Islam, our government allows them to train our own law enforcement on “Muslim sensitivity.” Our media takes statements from them whenever a damaged Qur’an is found on the ground, or when a Muslim is arrested on terror charges. “Reality shows” utilize them as when they produce shows about Islam.

Meanwhile, nearly four years after 9/11, Islamic fanatics are still here and all over the world:

Evil across our planet

So the question for all of us, and for our governments, is this: what is it that Islam brings to the West that makes all of these expenditures and security risks worth it?

[CHARLITE]

There is no compatibilty at all (!!) between the very essence of our democratic heritage, and the 1,400 barbaric dictates of ISLAM! None!

D.C. Watson's rhetorical question had better become a searching, real one very soon in America, or we're going to be overwhelmed from within!

"So the question for all of us, and for our governments, is this: what is it that Islam brings to the West that makes all of these expenditures and security risks worth it?"

EXACTLY !!

They are Muslims. Muslims follow the Koran. All of them swear upon it. Ergo: How can they possibly be "assimilating" and contributing to traditional American values and culture? Their fictitious "Allah" demands that they kill every single one of us, for the glory of "The New Caliphate!" - That means the "United Islamic States of America!" Make no mistake about it!

[CHARLITE]

Islam ping!

Char (:

[ncountylee]

While tolerance is a good thing, tolerance of the intolerant is suicidal

The right to live should trump all others, especially the feel good fuzzy ones.

Deport early and often!

[Fred Nerks]

I am sorry that the last seven times we Americans took up arms and sacrificed the blood of our youth, it was in the defense of Muslims (Bosnia, Kosovo, Gulf War 1, Kuwait, etc.).

I am sorry that no such call for an apology upon the extremists came after 9/11.

I am sorry that all of the murderers on 9/11 were Arabs.

I am sorry that Arabs have to live in squalor under savage dictatorships. I am sorry that their leaders squander their wealth.

I am sorry that their governments breed hate for the US in their religious schools.

I am sorry that Yassir Arafat was kicked out of every Arab country and hijacked the Palestinian "cause."

I am sorry that no other Arab country will take in or offer more than a token amount of financial help to those same Palestinians.

I am sorry that the USA has to step in and be the biggest financial supporter of poverty stricken Arabs while the insanely wealthy Arabs blame the USA.

I am sorry that our own left wing elite and our media can't understand any of this.

I am sorry the United Nations scammed the poor people of Iraq out of the "food for oil" money so they could get rich while the common folk suffered.

I am sorry that some Arab governments pay the families of homicide bombers upon their death.

I am sorry that those same bombers are seeking 72 virgins. I can't seem to find one here on Earth.

I am sorry that the homicide bombers think babies are a legitimate target.

I am sorry that our troops died to free more Arabs.

I am sorry they show so much restraint when their brothers in arms are killed. I am sorry that Muslim extremists have killed more Arabs than any other group.

I am sorry that foreign trained terrorists are trying to seize control of Iraq and return it to a terrorist state.

I am sorry we don't drop a few dozen "Daisy Cutters" on Fallujah. (Note: a "Daisy Cutter" is a 10,000 lb bomb, used to clear helicopter landing zones)

I am sorry every time terrorists hide they find a convenient "Holy Site".

I am sorry they didn't apologize for driving a jet into the World Trade Center that collapsed and severely damaged Saint Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church - one of our Holy Sites.

I am sorry they didn't apologize for flight 93 and 175, the USS Cole, the embassy bombings, etc.

I am sorry Michael Moore is American; he could feed a medium sized village in Africa.

I am sorry the French are french?

America will get past this latest absurdity. We will punish those responsible because that is what we do. We hang out our dirty laundry for all the world to see. We move on. That's one of the reasons we are hated so much. We don't hide this stuff like all those Arab countries that are now demanding an apology.

Deep down inside, when most Americans saw this reported in the news, we were like - so what? We lost hundreds and made fun of a few prisoners. Sure, it was wrong, sure, it dramatically hurts our cause, but until captured we were trying to kill these same prisoners. Now we're supposed to wring our hands because a few were humiliated? Our compassion is tempered with the vivid memories of our own people killed, mutilated and burnt amongst a joyous crowd of celebrating Fallujans.

If you want an apology from this American, you're going to have a long wait. You have a better chance of finding those 72 virgins.

http://www.catsprn.com/letter_of_apology.htm

[Paladin2]

"Not all Muslims appear to be so hell bent on this, but since they sit silently on the sidelines, deciphering the difference between them shouldn’t be our responsibility"

I want to see "Stop Jihad Now!" signs in front of every mosque that doesn't want to close or be closed.

[yldstrk]

I want a stop jihad now! bumper sticker for my car. Maybe I'll work some up and start selling them.

[Beth528]

close the borders ,deport muslims.close down mosques.NOW
ANYONE EVER READ QURAN IT TELLS MUSLISM TO SMITE OFF THERE NECKS TO BEHEAD PEOPLE .TO KILL ANTINFIDELS .CHRISTIANS JEWS .NOT MAKE PEACE WITH THEM .WTC WAS WAKE UP CALL THEN THE BEHEADINGS WHAT MORE DO WE HAVE TO ENCOUNTER HEAR ABOUT /MOSQUES HOLD WEAPONS PREACH OF KILLING JEWS INFIDELS .THEY ARE HARBRO OF TERORIST ,WE SEE IN ALBANY NY PEOPLE WAS ARESTED FOUND EVEN DRUGS THERE AND ALSO SO IT S ALSO STORAGE OF DRUGS .FBI NEEDS TO EXPLORE ALL MOSQUES ,PRESIDENT NEEDS TO DEPORT MUSLIMS ,CLOSE BORDERS,WHAT IS GOING ON MIDDLE EAST CAN HAPPEN HERE .WITH THE WAY THERE MINDS ARE YOU NEVER KNOW AND WE ARENT COMPLETELY SAFE AS YOU SAW TERROR HIT USA SEPT 11TH .WE NEED TO GET GOVERNMENT TO DO SOMETHING AS AMERICAN CITIZENS WE NEED TO STAND UP AND VOICE AS I AM DOING HERE .MUSLIMS WANT TO TAKE OVER AMERICA AND TAKE OUT AMERICANS.LOOK BACK IN TIME WHO CAUSED THE TERROR WHOSE THE PEOPLE THE FBI WANT THEY ARE ALL MUSLIMS SO THIS SHOULD TELL U SOMETHING.SPEAK UP WHILE WE CAN MAYBE BEFORE WE GET ATTACKED

This was sent to me by an e-mail friend and I agree with the whole thing..

[takenoprisoner]

"I want a stop jihad now! bumper sticker for my car. Maybe I'll work some up and start selling them."

I want one which reads "Deport All Muslims Now!

It is proven beyond a shadow of doubt that Islam and a free republic are incompatible.

Muslims should consider returning to their homelands...Islam is not native to America. Americans will not sit back and allow jihadists (or their fellow worshippers) to kill at will our innocent men women children and infants on their way to work or play.

[johnnyBbad]

The jihadists have spelled out their goals time and time again - Dar Al Islam taking over Dar Al Haud (sp?)

WHEN THE HELL DO WE START LISTENING?

[Logic n' Reason]

I get tired of repeating this, but I'll let Mr. Peter's speak for me...."Whenever legal conditions permit, kill terrorists on the spot (do not give them a chance to surrender, if you can help it). Contrary to academic wisdom, the surest way to make a martyr of a terrorist is to capture, convict and imprison him, leading to endless efforts by sympathizers to stage kidnappings, hijacking and other events intended to liberate the imprisoned terrorist(s). This is war, not law enforcement."

And....Do not allow the terrorists to hide behind religion. Apocalyptic terrorists cite religion as a justification for attacking us; in turn, we cannot let them hide behind religious holidays, taboos, strictures or even sacred terrain. We must establish a consistent reputation for relentless pursuit and destruction of those who kill our citizens. Until we do this, our hesitation will continue to strengthen our enemy's ranks and his resolve.

When will we learn?

[CHARLITE]

"We must establish a consistent reputation for relentless pursuit and destruction of those who kill our citizens. Until we do this, our hesitation will continue to strengthen our enemy's ranks and his resolve.
"When will we learn?"

Unfortunately, we have enormous obstacles within our country - the MoveOn.org + George Soros machine which are in actual FACT the current force behind the entire top far liberal left leadership of the Democrat party. Unless or until the American electorate thoroughly rejects this party, the war on terror will be extended.

.....and FYI, Soros has the Clintons in his back pocket, and has had them there for at least a decade.

Thanks for your strong remarks, and for quoting Peters.

Char

[TheCrusader]

"Let no soft spoken Muslim representative fool you into believing that Islamic law, known as the Shari’ah, is in any way compatible with democracy"

Interesting point. I just read a recent ICM poll taken in England that asked the Muslim community there if they'd prefer Shari'ah law to British Law. A full 61% of them said they would definately prefer Islamic Shari'ah law over the current legal system in Britain. If this doesn't serve as a huge, flashing, warning sign for us that they want to overthrow all that we stand for, then nothing ever will.

As an aside, this poll also revealed that 80% of England's Muslims believe the war in Iraq is not against terrorism, but against Islam. This should clarify for everyone why Muslims refuse to condemn terrorism, they apparently view it as payback to the West for 'attacking their religion'.

[Gava]

One thing I have yet to see posted on FR is the actual proof of these dictates in the Qur'an. Maybe I should be the first to actually take the time to look for it, since the rest of you are a bunch of lazy dogs. You better hope I don't find pages filled with words like "love", "peace", "merciful", and "tranquil" or else you and a few thousand other posters will feel a bit embarrased at the very least ;) Haha I can't wait...off to the library!

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

There is no need to go to the library. The Koran and Hadith (sayings of Muhammad and his followers which serve as examples for all Muslims to live) are fully searchable online. Just a couple examples:

KORAN (Shakir translation)
http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/

[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

You have to beware certain traps. There are verses which say "There is no compulsion in religion." [2:256] These are from the "Mecca Period" when Muhammad was weak. They are superceded by verses from the "Medina Period" when Muhammad became a warlord. "[2.106] Whatever communications We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring one better than it or like it. Do you not know that Allah has power over all things?" And the chapters are not in chronological order like the Bible.

HADITH
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/searchhadith.html

Search for "Jew and stone and kill" and you will find several references to this nugget:

Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177:
Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Let us know if you find this useful.

[nightdriver]

"This is an American issue. Left or right is irrelevant. Islamic law would obliterate the freedoms that all of us are offered and enjoy."

That's what the New York State Supreme Court ruled when they declared that the Constitutional meaning of "religion," as gets used in the phrase "freedom of," did NOT include followers of "....impostors, such as Mahommett."

They ordered the deportation of the moslem in question. But, back then, they were much more spiritually aware (1892) than are the liberals of today.

Today, we Americans are so enlightened that we would politely hold the door open for our own assassins.