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Bill would give voters voice on church closings (Gov't interference alert!)
Boston Herald ^
| July 13, 2005
| Kevin Rothstein
Posted on 07/13/2005 12:03:43 PM PDT by NYer
Hub voters would be asked if the Archdiocese of Boston ``has failed'' in its handling of church closings in neighborhoods under a nonbinding ballot question to be proposed by a trio of city councilors today.
``In the past we've had nothing but failure and breakdown in communication and in the future we need to have better communication,'' said Brighton City Councilor Jerry P. McDermott, the lead sponsor.
The measure, which will be introduced at today's City Council meeting, will be on the Nov. 8 ballot if it passes. Also sponsoring it are South Boston City Councilor James M. Kelly and North End Councilor Paul J. Scapicchio.
Councilors said the archdiocese has gone ahead with closings without thought for the city's most vulnerable citizens, Catholic and non-Catholic alike, who use church-based food pantries and 12-step programs.
An Archdiocese spokesman could not be reached for comment yesterday.
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KEYWORDS: boston; churchclosings
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posted on
07/13/2005 12:03:44 PM PDT
by
NYer
To: NYer
Isn't this slightly Un-consti-freakin-tutional?........
2
posted on
07/13/2005 12:05:22 PM PDT
by
Red Badger
(HURRICANES: God's way of telling you it's time to clean out the freezer...............)
To: NYer
Feh, now WE can scream separation of Church and State!
3
posted on
07/13/2005 12:07:17 PM PDT
by
Dominick
("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
To: NYer
Please say that this is really from Scrappleface. Please?
I can barely believe that even Bostonians would be this stupid.
4
posted on
07/13/2005 12:07:53 PM PDT
by
KarlInOhio
(Bork should have had Kennedy's USSC seat and Kelo v. New London would have gone the other way.)
To: NYer
I'm certain the archdiocese has "had a thought" or concern regarding those that will be hurt by the closings. Maybe the city could pony up some money to the church to help feed these poor that they are so worried about?
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posted on
07/13/2005 12:08:29 PM PDT
by
kjam22
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Councilors said the archdiocese has gone ahead with closings without thought for the city's most vulnerable citizens, Catholic and non-Catholic alike, who use church-based food pantries and 12-step programs. Would this not be a violation of Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act
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posted on
07/13/2005 12:09:17 PM PDT
by
NYer
("Each person is meant to exist. Each person is God's own idea." - Pope Benedict XVI)
To: Red Badger
"Isn't this slightly Un-consti-freakin-tutional?........" It's about as clear an example of it as anything I've ever heard of...'course that's no big deal these days.
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posted on
07/13/2005 12:09:36 PM PDT
by
Sam Cree
(Democrats are herd animals)
To: NYer
They should just condemn the churches under eminent domain, and then they can run the soup kitchens and the AA meetings themselves. Or they could hand the land over to a private developer and get all that sweet, sweet tax revenue.
Of course, the same could be said of your church...
8
posted on
07/13/2005 12:11:49 PM PDT
by
gridlock
(ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
To: NYer
Whaddaya know, this is an instance where when you say "seperation of church and state" there is really a church involved. Most of the time when libs say "seperation of church and state" they really mean "seperation of faith and state"; two totally different things.
9
posted on
07/13/2005 12:11:57 PM PDT
by
joebuck
To: NYer
Where's the ACLU? This is a blatant interference by the government into a religion's affair.
~croak......ribbit, croak.....silence....
10
posted on
07/13/2005 12:12:11 PM PDT
by
OpusatFR
(Try permaculture and get back to the Founders intent. Mr. Jefferson lives!)
To: OpusatFR
The sounds of silence is deafening...........BTW I have tinnitus........
11
posted on
07/13/2005 12:14:10 PM PDT
by
Red Badger
(HURRICANES: God's way of telling you it's time to clean out the freezer...............)
To: NYer
Whaddaya know, this is an instance where when you say "seperation of church and state" there is really a church involved. Most of the time when libs say "seperation of church and state" they really mean "seperation of faith and state"; two totally different things.
12
posted on
07/13/2005 12:16:19 PM PDT
by
joebuck
To: Red Badger
13
posted on
07/13/2005 12:17:54 PM PDT
by
Old Professer
(As darkness is the absence of light, evil is the absence of good; innocence is blind.)
To: NYer
Making political hay over something they can't do diddlesquat about, I see....
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posted on
07/13/2005 12:21:08 PM PDT
by
Knitting A Conundrum
(Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
To: Old Professer
Yeah, like when did that ever make a difference? Maybe this is a case of separating "state from church"......
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posted on
07/13/2005 12:21:38 PM PDT
by
Red Badger
(HURRICANES: God's way of telling you it's time to clean out the freezer...............)
To: NYer
Brighton City Councilor Jerry P. McDermott, the lead sponsorhmmmmm....let's see. Jerry has been a member of Ward 2 Democrat Committee and a legislative aide to Joseph P Kennedy II. But he's also a Catholic. Must be a John Kerry kind of Catholic. And his wife's name is Aoibheann(???) according to his bio.
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posted on
07/13/2005 12:25:00 PM PDT
by
daybreakcoming
(May God bless those who enter the valley of the shadow of death so that we may see the light of day.)
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To: NYer
The anti-religion forces seem to be lining up an arsenal of weapons to use against churches. The Kelo ruling will also allow them to take away church properties on the grounds that a Safeway or some other taxpaying business would provide a greater tax income compared to a tax-exempt church. This is just one piece of the arsenal being arrayed.
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posted on
07/13/2005 12:40:34 PM PDT
by
highlander_UW
(I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
To: NYer
This is... just... wow...
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posted on
07/13/2005 12:45:44 PM PDT
by
Romish_Papist
(The times are out of step with the Catholic Church. God Bless Pope Benedict XVI.)
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