Posted on 07/12/2005 7:31:32 AM PDT by ppaul
Top 50 Most Influential Churches
The 2005 survey was sent to 2,000 church leaders with the goal of ranking the nation’s fastest growing churches and churches with more than 2,000 weekend attendance. The 127 churches nominated for the 50 Most Influential Churches survey were located in 32 states and represented 27 affiliation groups and/or denominations. The term affiliation is used to include networks of unaffiliated, independent churches.
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...uh,.....Moses was WRONG!
/murmering......lawyers will destroy a nation.....ie. Rome too!
Bumped for later.
Huh?
What are you talking about?
The Scriptures say:
"What you are doing is not good. You and these people who come to you will only wear yourselves out. The work is too heavy for you; you cannot handle it alone. Listen now to me and I will give you some advice, and may God be with you. You must be the people's representative before God and bring their disputes to him. Teach them the decrees and laws, and show them the way to live and the duties they are to perform. But select capable men from all the people—men who fear God, trustworthy men who hate dishonest gain—and appoint them as officials over thousands, hundreds, fifties and tens. Have them serve as judges for the people at all times, but have them bring every difficult case to you; the simple cases they can decide themselves. That will make your load lighter, because they will share it with you. If you do this and God so commands, you will be able to stand the strain, and all these people will go home satisfied." Exodus 18:17-23Are you saying that a pastor should shoulder all of the burden of shepherding the flock, and not appoint capable men to share the burden (contrary to the clear teaching of scripture)?
Huh?
What are you talking about?
The Scriptures say:.......
WRONG AGAIN!
.....The Moses'....Father-in-law SAYS......
/ACLU types
/OFF the clear teaching of Moses'.....Father-in-law.....
Answer:
Moses SHOULD HAVE SOUGHT THE LORD!!!!!!!!
Maranatha
/Gnostics
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Bible-belt Catholics
TIME ^ | 2/7/2005 | Tim Padgett
Posted on 02/09/2005 6:15:55 AM PST by sinkspur
Eight years ago, a handful of Roman Catholic families in Huntersville, a suburb of Charlotte, N.C., started a new parish. The home of their church, St. Mark, was a bowling alley. Our Lady of the Lanes, as they jokingly called it, was an apt symbol of the scarcity--and supple ingenuity--of Catholics in a region known as the buckle of the Protestant Bible Belt. Soon St. Mark was gaining a family a day. Now its almost 2,800 families hear Mass in a cavernous gymnasium as they await completion of a new church. Among the newcomers is Ben Liuzzo, 54, a financial-services manager who a few years ago moved his family from New York to North Carolina. He had thought Catholics in the area might be as outnumbered as Jews or Muslims--and that the meager church life that did exist wouldn't engage his 14-year-old son. Instead, the Liuzzos are attending standing-room-only services like St. Mark's teen Mass, complete with a pop-music ensemble that could be mistaken for one of the area's rollicking Christian rock bands. "This I was not prepared for," says Liuzzo, who flashes a smile at a recent service as an altar girl marches a crucifix past 1,000 parishioners.
Yankee transplants like the Liuzzos aren't the only ones helping fill the pews in the Charlotte diocese. Mexican immigrants are the fastest-growing group, and Hispanics as a whole make up half the diocese's 300,000 Catholics. Thousands of Vietnamese and Filipino Catholics are settling in too. "I've wondered often how bishops in the Northeast handled the waves of immigration in the 19th and 20th centuries," says Bishop Peter Jugis, 47, who took over the diocese in 2003. "It's exciting." It also transcends demographics: the newcomers are practicing a more conservative Catholicism than their brethren in many other parts of the country.
Jethro gave human advice, not God's wisdom.
Men who were to lead the nation were to be spirit filled (Nu.11:25) as were those who are to lead the local church (Acts 6:3).
Natural ability (as espoused by Jethro) is of little concern to God.
And your point is?
The point is that Jethro leaves God out of his plan.
Moses doesn't even check with God to see if that is how God wanted it done.
Jethro represents the common view that natural abilities are a substitute for spiritual gifts.
God's power was sufficent for Moses.
Moses had the Holy Spirit enough for 70 men!(Num.11)
CAN'T BELIEVE THEY DIDN'T INCLUDE JOHN MACARTHUR AND GRACE COMMUNITY CHURCH IN LA!
Amen!
Amen!
That would mean that the first 400 years they got it right.
Amen!
Amen!
"Who's Driving The Purpose Driven Church?" by James Sundquist would be another book worth reading. The author goes through the Rick Warren book and refutes it by Spripture, item by item.
That's probably because Catholic's weren't included in the poll, and that because many non-Catholic Christians don't really believe Catholics are Christians or at least not a Christian on equal footing. BTW, my parish church seats approximately 800 people, and it is generally SRO for each weekend Mass. There are seven total, which means we're pulling about more than 5500 people a weekend.
No, the Bible says that the Lord added daily to the church.
That verse is not a proof-text for church growth being a sign of God's blessing.
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