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To: JennysCool

Oh, nonsense.

We can't have our cake and eat it too.

Many here accused Kerry of treason - using a fairly wide description of that term.

Perhaps he was .. I dunno.

But Rove's committed a classic case of treason - deliberately outing a secret operative for base political motives - and Freepers seem willing to give him a get-out-of-jail card.

What rank hypocrisy.

Sadim


11 posted on 07/11/2005 11:26:48 PM PDT by sadimgnik
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To: sadimgnik
Gusee you didn't actually go to the article.

No surprise, probably. You surface-skimmers never do.:

What isn't controversial is this: Karl Rove didn't "out" Valerie Plame as a CIA agent to intimidate Joe Wilson. He was dismissing Joe Wilson as a low-level has-been hack to whom nobody should pay attention. He was right then, and if he said it today, he'd still be right.

And if Valerie Plame wants to live a quiet spy life, she should stop having her picture taken by society photographers and stop getting stories written about her on the front page of the Times.

16 posted on 07/11/2005 11:30:42 PM PDT by JennysCool (Be good, and you will be lonesome. - Mark Twain)
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To: sadimgnik
But Rove's committed a classic case of treason - deliberately outing a secret operative for base political motives - and Freepers seem willing to give him a get-out-of-jail card. What rank hypocrisy.

It always helps to have the FACTS before you accuse othres of hypocrisy. Otherwise you look like a complete and utter fool.

17 posted on 07/11/2005 11:30:47 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: sadimgnik
But Rove's committed a classic case of treason - deliberately outing a secret operative for base political motives - and Freepers seem willing to give him a get-out-of-jail card.

Rove didnt out anybody..

19 posted on 07/11/2005 11:31:38 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Relocate Guantanamo inmates to Dick "Rhymes with Turban" Durbin's house..)
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To: sadimgnik
But Rove's committed a classic case of treason - deliberately outing a secret operative for base political motives

Could you post a link?

22 posted on 07/11/2005 11:33:13 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("A people without a heritage are easily persuaded (deceived)" - Karl Marx)
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To: sadimgnik

You need to read up on the law which you are accusing Rove of violating. (Somewhat like Howard Dean saying that Tom DeLay should go back to Texas to serve his jail term, when Tom Delay hasn't been indicted of a crime.)


23 posted on 07/11/2005 11:33:23 PM PDT by DianeDePoitiers
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To: sadimgnik
But Rove's committed a classic case of treason - deliberately outing a secret operative for base political motives - and Freepers seem willing to give him a get-out-of-jail card.

Source?
Oh, nevermind. Just go away.

24 posted on 07/11/2005 11:33:27 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: sadimgnik

She was NOT a 'secret agent' she was a mid level pencil pushing analyst who drove her BMW to work at CIA HQ in Langley, Va EVERY DAY. Now be a good boy and go dag the hocket before I piss in your billabong


29 posted on 07/11/2005 11:35:02 PM PDT by Armigerous ( Non permitte illegitimi te carborundum- "Don't let the bastards grind you down")
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To: sadimgnik

horse hockey. read the article, read the law.


31 posted on 07/11/2005 11:36:53 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: sadimgnik
You like making yourself look like a total idiot in public, do you?

Even IF Rove "outed" old Valerie, which he didn't do, he committed NO "treason". Plame was NOT a "covert" operative, neither had she been one for well over five years ( the time limit, dear, go read what exactly is a crime! ),and she committed a crime, by sending her attention grasping husband on a trip he wasn't qualified to do and that's nepotism. It's also abject stupidity, but they're Dems. WHAT'S YOUR EXCUSE?

32 posted on 07/11/2005 11:39:09 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: sadimgnik

You haven't been paying attention or reading a damn thing have you?


49 posted on 07/11/2005 11:53:04 PM PDT by bahblahbah
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To: sadimgnik
... deliberately outing a secret operative for base political motives ...

Utter crap.

Valerie Plame was NOT a "secret operative" for the CIA at the time, and had not been for nearly ten years. She was well known around town as an EMPLOYEE of the CIA, and didn't need to be "outed" by anyone.

Get an education before posting on this subject again, please.

67 posted on 07/12/2005 12:14:20 AM PDT by John Valentine
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Many here accused Kerry of treason - using a fairly wide description of that term. ... But Rove's[sic] committed a classic case of treason.

You compare Kerry's actions, which included lying through one's teeth to give aid to an enemy with which the United States was actively engaged in combat ...

... to Rove's actions, which at worst amounted to outing a politically-charged couple that were actively attempting to unfairly discredit the President by lying through their teeth, and in doing so mentioning the name of a woman who had not been "in the field" for months.

... and which one of these would require a broader definition of treason.

What enemy did Rove help exactly?

Why did Plame recommend her husband for an intelligence gathering job, and why did Plame's husband lie about what he saw?

With all due respect, you may be a journalist and you may be an Aussie, but a moderate you're not. You are more that welcome to review all my post in this forum to find any form of flame from me (which you will find are rare if not nonexistent), but you, sir, are a scumbag, and worse, you assume that we are idiots.

69 posted on 07/12/2005 12:18:19 AM PDT by Smedley (I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt.)
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But Rove's committed a classic case of treason - deliberately outing a secret operative for base political motives

Where did you read this claptrap?

106 posted on 07/12/2005 3:48:36 AM PDT by RobFromGa (Send Bolton to the UN!)
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To: sadimgnik

Yikes. For someone who claims to be a working journalist, you sure seem to have a problem with objectivity.

Where does Podheretz go wrong, in your opinion, in his recap of the facts?


107 posted on 07/12/2005 3:50:19 AM PDT by alnick
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To: sadimgnik

Did Jayson Blair move to Australia?


118 posted on 07/12/2005 4:21:36 AM PDT by rabidralph (Stop surveilling--start arresting!)
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To: sadimgnik
But Rove's committed a classic case of treason - deliberately outing a secret operative for base political motives

A classic case of treason????????? Spare me the hystronics.

125 posted on 07/12/2005 4:29:35 AM PDT by bad company (Then they say 'I came to the wrong jihad.'")
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Many here accused Kerry of treason - using a fairly wide description of that term.

Meeting secretly with the N.Vietnamese in France to discuss the defeat and withdrawal of US forces isn't treason in your mind?

I can't believe you've been here this long without being ZOTTED!

Your comments sound like NYTimes front page propaganda.

127 posted on 07/12/2005 4:40:53 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: sadimgnik
Politics a little slow down under mate?

I bet John McVain is your favorite American politician too, right after Hillary.

Do you think Hillary is a moderate like yourself?

129 posted on 07/12/2005 4:45:51 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: sadimgnik
Plame was as much a "secret agent" as you are a "moderate". I think your definitions of both are a bit out of whack.

G'day.

130 posted on 07/12/2005 4:48:42 AM PDT by canalabamian (Durka durka...Allah FUBAR!)
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To: sadimgnik; Howlin
But Rove's committed a classic case of treason - deliberately outing a secret operative for base political motives - and Freepers seem willing to give him a get-out-of-jail card.

There is no indication that Rove outed anyone.

What he said was that Wilson's wife at CIA got him the yellow cake mission.

1. He didn't name her.
2. He didn't say she was a covert operator. (People who are doing personnel assignments work are not currently in covert roles. If James Bond took Moneypenny's job at the desk, and I told you Bond ordered the tickets for the Q's trip to Jamaica, would that be outing Bond as a DoubleO?)
3. This is a witchhunt.

137 posted on 07/12/2005 5:13:25 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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