Posted on 07/11/2005 11:18:25 PM PDT by Howlin
I WROTE a column on Oct. 10, 2003, about the strange case of Joseph Wilson and Valerie Plame.
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...I offered my speculation of what an administration official might have said to a journalist to explain just how Wilson — a Clinton administration official — got the assignment in the first place: "Administration official: 'We didn't send him there. Cheney's office asked CIA to get more information. CIA picked Wilson . . . Look, I hear his wife's in the CIA. He's got nothing to do. She wanted to throw him a bone.' "
Hate to say I told you so, but . . .
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There's no mistaking the purpose of this conversation between Cooper and Rove. It wasn't intended to discredit, defame or injure Wilson's wife. It was intended to throw cold water on the import, seriousness and supposedly high level of Wilson's findings.
While some may differ on the fairness of discrediting Joseph Wilson, it sure isn't any kind of crime.
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So if the offense wasn't against Plame, what of the offense against Wilson? There was no offense. As many of Joe Wilson's own hottest defenders would no doubt argue in relation to President Bush, exposing a liar is not only not a crime, it's a public service.
And Wilson lied. Repeatedly.
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What isn't controversial is this: Karl Rove didn't "out" Valerie Plame as a CIA agent to intimidate Joe Wilson. He was dismissing Joe Wilson as a low-level has-been hack to whom nobody should pay attention. He was right then, and if he said it today, he'd still be right.
And if Valerie wants to live a quiet spy life, she should stop having her picture taken by society photographers and stop getting stories written about her on the front page of the Times.
(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...
Scheer is one of the most depraved and deranged leftists around. David Horowitz relates how Scheer visited North Korea and came back raving to all his friends about how he'd seen the future (and he thought it was great). Scheer should be required to live out his days on one of Kim Jong Ill's collective farms.
Seriously?
"I think that the whole thing rests on the call for the independent council investigation for a crime that the NYT reporters knew never happened"
BINGO! You win the prize! That's the most plausible explanation I've seen yet. Judith Miller and/or others in the NY Times knew who the real 'leaker' was (probably a liberal reporter, or Wilson himself, or some other liberal scum that the NY Times is desperate to protect).
The whole issue has been a smokescreen for the REAL issue, which was the despicable lying campaign by Joe Wilson and his media flacks to present a false picture of the whole Niger uranium matter and damage to Bush administration IN TIME OF WAR to pave the way for a Kerry administration.
The whole presstitute campaign for an investigation is now on the verge of blowing up in their faces big time, and they are desperate to try to contain the damage.
Why on earth would Miller go to jail to protect a R. source? I don't give any NY Times reporter such high marks for 'principles'..... no way.
YUP, Horowitz discusses this in his memoir "Radical Son" and also in the following article:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=1051
[Scheer has tried to deny and cover up this depraved lunacy in recent years, but Horowitz cites the following passage from the book "Commies" by Ronald Radosh - I would say that the clear-cut memories of Horowitz + Radosh + Collier are INFINITELY more reliable on the subject than Scheer's self-interested denial]:
RADOSH: "At the time [circa 1969], my friend Louis Menashe and I had a regular radio program on the Pacifica Network, a weekly political discussion show in which we interviewed Movement figures and engaged in political and theoretic discussion. Since Scheer was still considered an important figure on the Left…I got out my trusty, top-of-the-line SONY that WBAI had recommended we purchase, and began the interview. Scheer, however, said that he would talk on the record about only one topic - the only topic that mattered - the realization of the socialist utopia in Kim Il Sung's North Korea."
"For over two hours, Scheer talked and talked about the paradise he had seen during a recent visit to North Korea, about the greatness of Kim Il Sung, about the correct nature of his so-called juche ideology - evidently a word embodying Kim's redefinition of Marxism-Leninism in building Communism against all obstacles and with the entire world in opposition… At one point, I asked him incredulously: "Bob, do you really believe this crap?" Scheer responded with complete earnestness that he did - that Kim had charted out a path that other nations could and should take as an example of the art of the possible….[Finally], the interminable interview ended, leaving me recalling Woody Allen's famous words to Annie Hall's demented brother: "I have to go now. I'm due back on planet earth.""
I have been stating since the onset of this issue, that Chris Lehane was the key. Chris Lehane is known as the dirty trickster of the Democrat Party. When he got involved in May, the issue suddenly gained importance. Before that only a few of us on FreeRepublic even knew of the Wilson report and his wife, who worked for the CIA.
I have no idea of who Miller's source was, but I wouldn't be surprised if the source was Chris Lehane, or someone that Chris Lehane suggested.
I just had a thought, what if the prosecutor just wants the NYT to pay for the cost of the investigation on these phoney charges?
This is a non-story if I have ever seen one.
The real story is Joe Wilson, and it seems to have been overlooked by the MSM. What a surprise!
Great thread Howlin!
BTW, what was up with beyond the sea? That was just weird! Good to have mods around!
I have absolutely NO clue what that is all about. Weird is right.
I think this whole situation is just so funny!
I can't imagine how the libs can be so avidly pursuing this story thinking there's Bush's blood in the water! The special prosecutor surely knows that Plame's name was well known in DC as CIA and that mentioning her name to the press wasn't criminal and yet he's continuing the grand jury.
SO, WHY?
Not to prosecute Novak's source, that is for sure.
They're going to be shocked when they figure out what is really going on there, that is for sure, and they're going to be alterately red-in-the-face and apoplectic that Rove isn't hung!
LOL
My recollection is that when Plame recommended Joe Wilson for the Niger trip, she never revealed she was married to him.
You mean that Demodog icon Joe "RestoreHonesty(for sKerry)" Wilson is a traitor to the United States?
Oh, my heart! It's gonna be a big one!
LOL
Whatever is going on with Plame and Joe "RestoreHonesty.com" Wilson, the libs are not going to like it.
That's why I'm ROTFLMPO at this whole situation.
It looks like there is a good chance that some will be indicted on criminal charges and I hope that it all ties back to the partisan agenda of the NYT.
Your comments are puzzling. From what we know at this point, Rove broke no law regarding CIA agents. How can you "out" someone who's not an undercover agent in the first place? And how can you "out" someone who has already been outed, most notably by her own husband in his book? There was no secret about Plame's working for the CIA. As I understand it, the law referring to revealing CIA agents relates to undercover agents overseas, not people who work in the CIA building. So where's the crime?
Obviously too much of a wimp to respond to you Laur.
Seems pretty much a confirmed troll, and not even a very interesting one at that.
I was wrong. Plame DID apparently state her relationship when recommending Ol'Joe:
"The CPD reports officer told committee staff that the former ambassador’s wife ‘offered up his name’ and a memorandum to the deputy chief of the CPD on February 12, 2002, from [Wilson’s] wife says, ‘my husband has good relations with both [Niger’s prime minister] and the former Minister of Mines (not to mention lots of French contacts), both of whom could possibly shed light on this sort of activity.’”
Prove it.
I think the more we learn about geeky Joe Wilson, the more we understand why Plame wanted to get him out of the country!
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