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The Next London Bombing (Daniel Pipes Warns OF 16,000 Islamic Terrorists In U.K Alert)
Frontpagemag.com ^ | 07/11/05 | Daniel Pipes

Posted on 07/11/2005 1:15:29 AM PDT by goldstategop

In a confidential report, Young Muslims and Extremism, prepared jointly by the Home and Foreign offices in mid-2004 and presented to Prime Minister Tony Blair, we learn something about the inner thinking of the British government. Leaked to the Sunday Times of London, the report is now available in four parts in .pdf format at that newspaper’s site.

Its goal is “to encourage moderate Muslim opinion to the detriment of extremism” and to that end proposes an “Operation Contest.” Along the way, it contains much of interest in it, including these points:

· “A number of extremist groups are actively recruiting young British Muslims” (pdf 1, p. 10).

· These “extremist recruiters” are “circulating among university-based religious or ethnic societies” (pdf 1, p. 5; pdf 2, p. 10).

· “By and large, most young extremists fall into one of two groups: well-educated undergraduates or with degrees and technical professional qualifications in engineering or IT; or under-achievers with few or no qualifications, and often a criminal background” (pdf 2, p. 9).

· “Often disaffected lone individuals unable to fit into their community, will be attracted to university clubs based on ethnicity or religion, or be drawn to Mosques or preaching groups in prison through a sense of disillusionment with their current existence” (pdf 2, p. 12).

· Islamist terrorists include “a significant number” who come from “liberal, non-religious Muslim backgrounds” or who converted to Islam in adulthood (pdf 2, p. 9).

The report’s policy recommendations are also interesting, such as the one (from pdf 1, p. 8) urging the importance “to persuade the public and the media that Muslims are not the enemy within.” It goes on to propose that the government “needs to look for opportunities to highlight Muslim success stories and examples of Muslim contributions to society at national and local level.”

Besides that, “the term ‘Islamic fundamentalism’ is unhelpful and should be avoided, because some perfectly moderate Muslims are likely to perceive it as a negative comment on their own approach to their faith” (pdf 2, p. 2)

In general, the authors of Young Muslims and Extremism are too politically worried to understand the phenomenon they are contending with. Take the matter of Muslim individuals and organizations: if they are willing to mouth certain pieties, and not overtly challenge the existing order, that is good enough to consider them moderate. My particular favorite “moderate Muslim” is Hamza Yusuf (pdf 1, p. 13), for he explicitly has denied this appellation, as I documented on my weblog at “Hamza Yusuf Fails My ‘Test.’”

They assert as fact points that need thoughtful consideration: “A strong Muslim identity and strict adherence to traditional Muslim teachings are not in themselves problematic or incompatible with Britishness” (pdf 1, p. 9). One could fill a long and substantial seminar on this topic.

The point that most of all interested me, however, in reading Young Muslims and Extremism is where it draws on MI5 information to make this astonishing statement:

Intelligence indicates that the number of British Muslims actively engaged in terrorist activity, whether at home or abroad or supporting such activity, is extremely small and estimated at less than 1% (pdf 2, p. 9).

If one accepts the report’s estimate (pdf 2, p. 5) that the Muslim population of Great Britain numbers 1.6 million, then 16,000 “British Muslims actively engaged in terrorist activity.”

“Extremely small”? Excuse me, but that number strikes me as an extremely large.

That the British authorities do not recognize that they should worry about thousands of terrorists in their midst is reason to worry what planet they inhabit. Their waffling, myopia, and general incompetence make one despair for his country.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 77; danielpipes; frontpagemag; headsinsand; islamicterrorists; londonbombings; religionofhate; terrorism; wakeupwhitehall
Whitehall needs a wakeup call. If its accepted there are 1.6 million Muslims living in the U.K and 1% of them are extremists, there could be 16,000 Islamic terrorists operating in the British Isles. This is a worrisome development and the complacency, myopia, and indiffidence of British authorities in the face of this phenomenon all but guarantee more terrorism is in the offing in the future.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
1 posted on 07/11/2005 1:15:30 AM PDT by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop

16,000 terrorist sympathisers perhaps, but considering how few attacks have there so far been in UK this figure seems inflated


2 posted on 07/11/2005 1:25:34 AM PDT by neutrality
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To: goldstategop

"at less than 1%"


3 posted on 07/11/2005 1:26:49 AM PDT by icwhatudo (The rino borg...is resistance futile?)
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To: neutrality
Well that's because the terrorists are beginning to feel out how far they can get away with it. I would consider the 7/7 London bombings to be the calm before the storm. There is indeed a large fifth column not only inside the U.K but in many Western European countries as well.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
4 posted on 07/11/2005 1:28:44 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
What a POS. Don't these people even pay attention to what is happening around them. I remember when Reagan called the USSR the EVIL EMPIRE, the EU's almost had a heart attack, complaining that Reagan made them a target by talking MEAN about the commies. Now we get the same BS. If we just talk nice to the Islamofascist they won't kill us.

If Islam is such a Peace -Loving "religion" PROVE IT.

5 posted on 07/11/2005 1:29:26 AM PDT by marty60
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To: icwhatudo
This is an optimistic figure at the lower end of the estimate. The scary thing is, no one knows how many Islamic extremists are living in the U.K and how many of them are involved in terrorist activists. This is the country's blind spot, a lack of an accurate picture of the enemy so pro-active action can be taken to nip hostile activities in the bud before they take place.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
6 posted on 07/11/2005 1:30:57 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: marty60
They do kill us. Terrorism here IS the message. Islamofascists of the Al Qaeda variety are NOT interested in co-existence with the West. They want every infidel dead.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
7 posted on 07/11/2005 1:32:35 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
When the media was painting every Priest in the Catholic church as a monster and pedohile, I never heard any calls that not ALL Priest were bad people. That only a few were the wrong doers. Yet Islam gets a pass.

It is just a FEW of these EXTREMIST types that are causing all this horrible, nasty talk about Islam. And to hear the media and the politicos talk, it just has to stop.

8 posted on 07/11/2005 1:36:45 AM PDT by marty60
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To: All
ON THE NET...


FRONTPAGE MAGAZINE.com: "THE NEXT LONDON BOMBING" by Daniel Pipes (July 11, 2005)

INTERNET-HAGANAH.US (E-PRISM.ORG): "'FROM MADRID TO LONDON: AL-QAEDA EXPORTS THE WAR IN IRAQ TO EUROPE'" by Reuven Paz (July 10, 2005) (HTML)

E-PRISM.ORG - Global Research in International Affairs (GLORIA) Center - THE PROJECT FOR THE RESEARCH OF ISLAMIST MOVEMENTS (PRISM) - OCCASIONAL PAPERS Volume 3 (2005), Number 3 (July 2005) Director and Editor: Reuven Paz: "'FROM MADRID TO LONDON: AL-QAEDA EXPORTS THE WAR IN IRAQ TO EUROPE'" by Reuven Paz (pdf)
INTERNET-HAGANAH.US: "LONDON CALLING, Part 2" (July 9, 2005)

INTERNET-HAGANAH.US: "LONDON CALLING..." (July 7, 2005)

JIHAD WATCH.org: "ISLAMIC REFORMIST HOSTS WEBSITE USED BY GROUP TO CLAIM RESPONSIBILITY" (July 9, 2005)

SOFIR.org - Society for Internet Research - Report No. 3: "The associations, domains and web sites of the designated Terrorist Sa'ad Rashed Mohammad Al-Fagih." (May 28, 2005)

ISLAM-ONLINE.net: "ANOTHER CLAIM OF LONDON BLASTS BY AL-QAEDA" (July 9, 2005)

DANIELPIPES.org (NEW YORK SUN): "[LONDON TERRORISM:] BRITISH 'COVENANT OF SECURITY' WITH ISLAMISTS ENDS" by Daniel Pipes (July 8, 2005)

FOX NEWS.com: "TERRORISTS BEHIND LONDON ATTACKS SOUGHT" (July 8, 2005)

DHS.gov - Press Release: "TRANSCRIPT FROM SECRETARY MICHAEL CHERTOFF PRESS BRIEFING ON THE LONDON BOMBINGS" (July 7, 2005)

JIHAD WATCH.org: "HAS ANYONE SPOKEN WITH OMAR BAKRI TODAY?" (July 7, 2005)

JIHAD WATCH.org: "MUSLIM CLERIC SAYS ATTACK ON LONDON 'INEVITABLE'" (April 18, 2004)

An Interview with GLEN JENVEY by David Storobin, Esq., published online at GloblalPolitician.com (July 7, 2005)

9 posted on 07/11/2005 3:02:33 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: goldstategop

And these British-born terrorists have no problem traveling to the US on their passports. Remember Richard Reid, the shoe bomber?


10 posted on 07/11/2005 3:05:56 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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11 posted on 07/11/2005 3:25:50 AM PDT by devolve (-------------------------------------------------)
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To: goldstategop
Whitehall needs a wakeup call. If its accepted there are 1.6 million Muslims living in the U.K and 1% of them are extremists, there could be 16,000 Islamic terrorists operating in the British Isles.

I'm wandering as to what the overall attitude of the government and population at large would have been if during WW II there had been 16,000 Nazis operating in the British Isles?

12 posted on 07/11/2005 3:36:50 AM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: goldstategop

Bump for bookmark.


13 posted on 07/11/2005 3:52:47 AM PDT by LiberationIT (If at first you don't succeed, give up skydiving)
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To: goldstategop
This is what multiculturalism in the extreme will get you.
This is just the instructions to have the London Police
racial equality and hate crime policies translated for
the benefit of all the 'warm, wonderful communities'
who must not be suspected or offended.


14 posted on 07/11/2005 4:47:09 AM PDT by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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To: goldstategop
The civilized world must win WW IV/the Final Crusade and destroy Jihadism!
15 posted on 07/11/2005 6:10:02 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (The civilized world must win WW IV/the Final Crusade and destroy Jihadism!)
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To: goldstategop
The report’s policy recommendations are also interesting, such as the one (from pdf 1, p. 8) urging the importance “to persuade the public and the media that Muslims are not the enemy within.” A shallow attempt to muzzle the public from making anti-Muslim remarks or writing anti-Muslim articles. Knowing your enemy is the first step.
(Lodi, California Mysteries)

(Shabbir Ahmed's anti-U.S. invectives were widely known before he was granted entry.)

Daniel Pipes also says....."Those of us who watch the growth of radical Islam in the United States tend to focus on the noisy organizations like CAIR, MPAC, and ISNA. The Muslim American Society, which claims 53 chapters and 10,000 members, tends to go about its work quietly; it is none the less dangerous – and perhaps more so – for that." (May 25, 2005) Permalink

That lesson can't be learned too late - Pipes has his eyes wide open, lets hope Political Correctness doesn't keep America or the EU blind much longer.

16 posted on 07/11/2005 6:37:59 AM PDT by yoe
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To: varon

I'm wandering as to what the overall attitude of the government and population at large would have been if during WW II there had been 16,000 Nazis operating in the British Isles?

In those days we weren't afflicted by PC/multiculturism, we interned 'em all. No problem.

Today we are hamstrung by PC/multiculturism, until that rubbish is taken apart, we remain defenceless.


17 posted on 07/11/2005 7:55:20 AM PDT by crazycat
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To: goldstategop; Cindy

Convert muslims to Christianity


18 posted on 07/11/2005 8:14:21 AM PDT by hripka (There are a lot of smart people out there in FReeperLand)
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To: Sender
Whatever happened to English? I count 22 or more languages here for the translation services alone. Don't the British speak English? Hello?

And we thought it was inconvenient to have a Spanish label.

19 posted on 07/11/2005 8:51:11 PM PDT by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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To: Sender

Yes I know, I am a big proponent of learning a second language, but...22 of them? And all separate 'communities'?


20 posted on 07/12/2005 5:53:57 AM PDT by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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