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Kristol warns: Bush wants Gonzales for Chief Justice
Fox News Sunday | July 10, 2005 | colonel mosby

Posted on 07/10/2005 7:19:51 AM PDT by colonel mosby

William Kristol, who correctly predicted that O'Connor would retire before Rehnquist, now has a dire prediction. Kristol claims that Rehnquist will retire this week, and that Bush operatives are already clearing the way to nominate Alberto Gonzales for new Chief Justice. Kristol made the comments on Fox News Sunday, as part of the four member discussion panel.

According to this train of thought, according to Kristol, the White House believes that it can avoid Congressional conflict by appointing a moderate like Gonzales, and then balance it by naming a true conservative to replace O'Connor. This would effectively leave the current "balance of the court" intact.

Panelists Juan Williams and CeCe Connolly applauded this notion, and felt it was a worthy compromise. However, panelist Charles Krauthammer warned that appointing Gonzales to the court would be a huge mistake because, by doing so, Bush would "betray his base" and "betray his promises".

William Kristol said that a Gonzales appointment, or any moderate appointment, would be "incredibly demoralizing" and "disastrous" for George W. Bush, because it would completely alienate his conservative base, and cause a terrible fracture in the Republican Party.

There is more than one hurricane on the horizon.


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KEYWORDS: chiefjustice; gonzales; kristol; scotus
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To: airborne
Chuck Schumer doesn't have a clue what he is talking about. Since when should our CIC make decisions based on how it looks to Chuck Schumer! - Ridiculous. Thank God we have real leadership in the WH and not people who would simply judge their decisions based on what "others" will think / say about them.

LEADERSHIP! - And yes, it is whining when a decision has not even been made and plenty are already crying over it. (and doing so by saying what "others" will say about it...IF it does actually happen). - My God, how silly.

101 posted on 07/10/2005 8:38:31 AM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: chris1
I understAND. But the political cycle goes on. If we, as conservatives, quit, we empower the liberals just that much more.

I don't want that for my kids.

102 posted on 07/10/2005 8:38:35 AM PDT by airborne
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To: colonel mosby
Kristol is hallucinating.
103 posted on 07/10/2005 8:39:42 AM PDT by Poser (Willing to fight for oil)
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To: DevSix

Psst... My reading shows that Gonzales is not pro-abortion. He is a strict interpretationist, which is why he has ruled against pro-life in the past. The problem isn't Gonzales beliefs, but his integrity. He is too ideologically conservative to legislate from the bench.

The question on the legality of abortion is a legislative matter. Get him on the court, and I think Bush will be proven to be right about Gonzales. All that will matter after Gonzaels on the court is whether or not we can pass a law giving "personage" to unborn children, which would eliminate 1/3 of the argument used to justify the Roe v. Wade decision. And if you knock out the "privacy" clause, because a right to privacy does not give a person a right to harm another person, then Roe v. Wade fails, and any new laws criminalizing late term abortions and mid term abortions will become feasible. If we can give a conservative court the basis to overturn Roe v. Wade, a statutory basis, then I think we can win the battle.


104 posted on 07/10/2005 8:42:06 AM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: SteveH

True (2. Democrats will never play nice if anyone tries to compromise with them). Nor do they play honest.

Upon an agreement to compromise with a liberal, one finds that you have stepped onto a moving sidewalk that is headed left with a vengence.

Socialists alway demand compromise from others, but never give it.


105 posted on 07/10/2005 8:42:54 AM PDT by joyspring777
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To: colonel mosby

Isn't it funny that the leftist side just never happens to nominate judges who turn up being conservative despite a leftist reputation? Republican presidents have nominated folks like Stevens, O'Connor and Souter who have ended up going more and more to the left after their nomination. Clinton's two judges almost always vote on the party line.


106 posted on 07/10/2005 8:43:46 AM PDT by Truthsayer20
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To: DevSix

No one is stopping Pres. Bush from "nominating his man". The majority of the people who voted for him primarily did so because of 2 reasons: 1. war on terror and 2. restoring sanity into the federal judicial system. It is clear that the WH is floating balloons about Gonzalez. Twerps like Kristol are simply vehicles to release said balloons. The first balloon float - when O'Connor resigned - was shot down thoroughly. Now with the imminent resignation of the CJ, the Bush team has dusted off the Gonzalez balloon and - via Kristol and others - are taking it out for another test drive. All that is happening here is that people - 95%+ Bush supporters! - are reacting to the test balloon.
This is not prescription drugs or education reform. Restoring "originalists" (as Rush calls them) to the courts is a core issue of the now-majority Republicans in this country. It's like strong self-defense. Any Republican who would run against a strong defense policy would be risking the support of the rank and file of the Republican majority and, if said policy were actually enacted under that Republican's term, would risk severe alienation of future support for the party. Same thing here. The President ran strong and hard - for 2 election cycles - on reforming the runaway federal judiciary. Go back to his campaign speeches. There's no ambiguity about the position he staked out. Appointing justices in the "mold of Scalia and Thomas" was the buzz phrase the generated massive applause at countless campaign rallies. To practice "moderation" or appeasement to keep the "balance in the court", with not 1 but 2 vacancies (likely) - and the opportunity to realign the judicial ship of state - would be nothing short of disastrous. Conservatives have been working and investing their time and money in election cycle after election cycle for this moment. Bush seized on this core desire in order to garner support and get elected not once but twice. Any deviation from HIS strongly worded and clearly stated objectives would be a true abandonment. There is no ambiguity here. He would be abandoning principles that he professed to in order to get the support of the folks who put him in power. I would be confident in proposing that nearly every person who pulled the Bush lever in November did so with the anticipation that there would be a significant opportunity to redirect the federal judiciary including the Supreme Court. Bush, to his credit, appears to have kept his word on appellate justice appointments - don't seem to be any squishy "moderates" in that group. One can argue about whether he has invested political capital in them, but he certainly has put forward nominees in the mold of his campaign rhetoric. I personally have faith that he will not take this historic opportunity to abandon his campaign promises and deviate from his past practices.
What is happening here and throughout the conservative world is that we are simply reminding the President and his team that we are watching and that we expect him to take the full advantage of the opportunity to reverse the ruinous direction of the Supreme Court. I don't sense any disrespect, just trepidation on the part of the faithful that the President might be entertaining different directions. If he indeed does go the route of appeasing the congressional democrats and the MSM and giving us "1 out of 2", I fully expect that the core conservatives will feel abandoned yet again by the Republican leadership. Although Bush is not running again, such an abandonment of a core conservative principle will vitiate the conservative support of the Republican party. Let's hope and pray he doesn't go in the appeasement direction.


107 posted on 07/10/2005 8:44:18 AM PDT by newvista
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To: Vicomte13

His position is declared and known.



And that is ?


108 posted on 07/10/2005 8:45:44 AM PDT by deport
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To: DevSix
And yes, it is whining when a decision has not even been made and plenty are already crying over it.

I'm not crying over it. I'm voicing my opinion. You're just lumping me in with the "If Bush picks Gonzales, I'll never vote Republican again" crowd.

Thank God we have real leadership in the WH and not people who would simply judge their decisions based on what "others" will think / say about them.

Where did I ever say Bush should care what Schumer (or anyone) thinks?

109 posted on 07/10/2005 8:46:14 AM PDT by airborne
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To: colonel mosby
...Bush operatives are already clearing the way to nominate Alberto Gonzales for new Chief Justice.

Give liberals what they want!

110 posted on 07/10/2005 8:47:26 AM PDT by ElCapusto
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To: DouglasKC

His mother votes Democrat. Of course this doesn't mean a thing.


111 posted on 07/10/2005 8:48:43 AM PDT by ElCapusto
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To: colonel mosby
........and that Bush operatives are already clearing the way to nominate Alberto Gonzales for new Chief Justice.

As could be expected from first Hispanic President, the successor to the first Black President. What happened to the tradition of an All-American President ???

112 posted on 07/10/2005 8:49:19 AM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: colonel mosby

"Bush would "betray his base" and "betray his promises"."

Oh, this would be a first!


113 posted on 07/10/2005 8:51:07 AM PDT by jwh_Denver (Socialism, Communism, Fascism, Liberalism; self anger turned outward.)
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To: colonel mosby; All
The Supreme Court appointment issue is much broader than just Roe v. Wade. The question is whether the appointee is committed to applying the words on paper (in the Constitution) in accordance with their clear intended meaning to decide cases or whether the appointee believes that all kinds of extraneous considerations including foreign law and domestic policy directions must drive decisions.

The difference is clear. It is not "liberals" or "conservatives" per se that drive this issue--it is the understanding that most of our domestic policy disagreements stem initially from the threashold determination to ignore the Constitution. And the only real way to return America to the strong free enterprise economic system, with a republican form of limited government is to return to the Constitution.

Gonzales is on the wrong side of this issue; together with Souter, Ginsberg, Stevens, Bryer, and probably Kennedy.

Like his father, George II is on the hook for a "read my lips" commitment on this question.

The Supreme Court appointment issue was the only material difference between the two candidates in the last election. Now sure, Kerry would have done a number of other things we disapprove of; his general policy direction might have been worse than George II's; but on the plus side, the Republican majorities in Congress would have taken a much different direction on spending and the execution of foreign policy decisions to the ultimate end that Conservatives, except for the Supreme Court appointments, would have been more satisfied with the long term end result. Certainly more likely to have produced a better result than our current bankrupt federal government, involved in two offshore nation building exercises in which we have no direct interest, both of which are likely to have terrible outcomes, for which the voters are likely to hold all Republicans responsible. The Supreme Court appointment issue was the deciding question on which George II was elected.

If he now reneges, there just isn't ever going to be any excuse to vote for another Republican wet for President no matter how bad the Democrat candidate may appear to be.

114 posted on 07/10/2005 8:51:25 AM PDT by David (...)
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To: colonel mosby

Didn't Gonzalez say he wasn't a candidate?


115 posted on 07/10/2005 8:53:05 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (Jabba the Hutt's bigger, meaner, uglier brother.)
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To: newvista

So...lets say PB does zig left (anything less than his statement in the vein of Thomas and Scalia) with these court choices.

Who is our true champion in 2008?


116 posted on 07/10/2005 8:53:27 AM PDT by joyspring777
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To: Ron in Acreage
What's to say Gonzales won't change his mind on abortion?

That may be, but I wouldn't take the risk on this nomination. If this was to replace Stevens or Ginsberg, then maybe, as just about anyone would be more conservative then either one of them.

Since we're replacing O'Connor, we need to make sure to place a more conservative nominee who will be solid on gun rights and the right to life!

117 posted on 07/10/2005 8:56:16 AM PDT by Anti-MSM (Conservatives wish 9/11 never happened. Liberals pretend it didn't!)
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To: Vicomte13
Nominate anybody who's come out for Roe to ANY Supreme Court vacancy, and the Republican majority is over.

I must have missed it. When did Gonzales come out in favor of Roe? As far as I know, he overruled a parental notification law based upon a technicality. Where did he come out in favor of Roe?

118 posted on 07/10/2005 8:56:48 AM PDT by ContraryMary
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To: joyspring777

Honestly, I don't know. Considering that the direction of the Supreme Court will likely be set in stone for a few decades by the end of Bush's 2nd term (2 resignations now, probably at least 1 or 2 more over the next 2 years), it might not matter.

I think the demoralization of the base that Karl Rove so masterfully energized and rolled out last year will be so great that ANY Republican candidate will have a severe disadvantage. The Bush family and the Clinton family - now such close friends - will be even closer, as Prez. Hildebeest would have Bush's SC reversal to thank for her election.


119 posted on 07/10/2005 8:59:25 AM PDT by newvista
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To: David
Like his father, George II is on the hook for a "read my lips" commitment on this question.

Not quite. Bush 2 isn't in his first term like Bush 1 was.

120 posted on 07/10/2005 9:02:19 AM PDT by airborne
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