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Hybrid vehicles threaten commuters' trip in the fast lane
San Diego Union -Tribune ^ | 7/8/05 | Brian Westley - AP

Posted on 07/08/2005 8:30:36 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

ARLINGTON, Va. – Instead of crawling out of bed at 4 a.m. to beat the morning rush, Frank Murphy sleeps late these days. He says he owes it all to his hybrid car – and a law that has some of his fellow commuters upset. Drivers of the environmentally friendly cars are allowed to cruise solo in Virginia's car pool lanes, slicing Murphy's daily two-hour commute in half. And since buying a hybrid 18 months ago, Murphy is leaving his home as much as three hours later.

"The quality of life has gone up tremendously," he said.

But Murphy's joy is a source of irritation for his co-worker, Kristine Johnson, who does not own a hybrid. To travel in the car pool lane, she lingers at a commuter lot until two strangers agree to ride with her.

The inconvenience pays off less than it used to: Johnson complains that hybrids are making car pool lanes as congested as regular lanes.

"It's not fair," Johnson said. "In the afternoon it's all hybrids around me. I used to be able to go home in 30 minutes. Now it takes 45."

So goes the debate between Virginia's car-poolers and hybrid owners. Lawmakers say the hybrid rule wasn't meant to clog the car pool lanes, but to encourage people to buy the cars, which run on a low-polluting combination of electricity and gasoline.

Normally, the federal government would withdraw highway money from a state that gave hybrids commuter-lane privileges. But Virginia has a special waiver while Congress considers allowing the states to make their own rules for hybrids. Arizona, California, Colorado, Georgia and Florida are poised to move ahead with similar incentives if the Senate passes a long-delayed highway bill.

California Assemblywoman Fran Pavley wrote legislation to open her state's car pool lanes to single-occupant hybrids. She said the bill contains "numerous safeguards" to avoid replicating Virginia's woes.

For example, California's Department of Motor Vehicles would limit the number of hybrids in the commuter lanes by issuing only 75,000 special decals. State transportation officials would review the law periodically, and it would only apply to hybrids that get at least 45 miles per gallon.

Brian D. Taylor, director of UCLA's Institute of Transportation Studies, argues against linking hybrids with car pool lanes, which he says exist for an unrelated purpose: taking cars off the road.

"It would be sort of like saying you should allow nurses and school teachers to exceed the speed limit because they contribute positive things to society," Taylor said.

Joe Waldman, general manager of northern Virginia's Landmark Honda, said officials should not be so quick to blame crowded car pool lanes on hybrids. He noted that solo drivers in regular vehicles continue to violate the rules, despite stepped-up enforcement and a new state law doubling some fines to as much as $1,000 for a fourth offense.

But Virginia Department of Transportation spokeswoman Joan Morris said, "Even if we got rid of all the violators tomorrow, we'd still have a capacity problem."

In April 2003, about 2,500 hybrid drivers in Virginia registered their cars and asked for "clean fuel" license plates, allowing them to use the car pool lanes, Morris said. By May of this year, the number had more than tripled – to about 9,000.

Meanwhile, Murphy, the Virginia hybrid owner, continues to sleep late, while Virginia transportation officials consider compromises such as letting hybrids use the lanes only at times when traffic is less congested.

Murphy said it would be ridiculous to end the hybrid exemption altogether, but agrees something's got to give.

"I do have to admit, there are a lot of (hybrids) out there," he said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: carpool; commuters; fastlane; hov; hybrid; threaten; vehicles; virginia
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To: NormsRevenge

It must have been really annoying when a flaw in the computer design caused the hybrids to shut down when they reached 50mph.


101 posted on 07/08/2005 2:25:05 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva

It must have been really annoying when a flaw in the computer design caused the hybrids to shut down when they reached 50mph.

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tee hee hee.. a virus, perhaps? :)


102 posted on 07/08/2005 2:26:13 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... "To remain silent when they should protest makes cowards of men." -- THOMAS JEFFERSON)
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To: NormsRevenge

Seriously, Toyota had a huge recall on the Prius because it would just shut down when it reached 50mph.


103 posted on 07/08/2005 2:30:27 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva

I heard of quite a few folks experiencing difficulties and the recall. Not good if it happened to ya in the fast lane. Ouch.


104 posted on 07/08/2005 2:32:10 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... "To remain silent when they should protest makes cowards of men." -- THOMAS JEFFERSON)
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To: Regulator
Open the diamond lanes, press automobile technology to reduce fuel consumption, and let the market take over.

Just how do you "press automobile technology" without interfering with a free market? It should be consumer, not government, pressure that increases demand for hybrid powerplants.

105 posted on 07/08/2005 2:35:14 PM PDT by TChris ("You tweachewous miscweant!" -- Elmer Fudd)
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To: TChris
It should be consumer, not government, pressure that increases demand for hybrid powerplants

Umm...what's your point, genius? That already happened with hybrids. They sell like hotcakes. And will continue to.

106 posted on 07/08/2005 4:00:28 PM PDT by Regulator
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To: longtermmemmory
The only thing I can see as advantageous regarding hybrids is the ability to recharge with braking energy.

That may amount to something on the third or fourth generation cars, but anyone buying one now is simply a guinnepig
107 posted on 07/08/2005 4:02:04 PM PDT by RobRoy (Child support and maintenance (alimony) are what we used to call indentured slavery)
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To: Charles Martel
I'll bet these people are going to really start screaming when the hybrid vehicles include a larger percentage of SUVs. Ford already has a hybrid version of the Escape on the dealers' lots, and others are sure to follow.

Impossible.
Every state HOV lane proposal limits the hybrids to those which get at least 46 mpg.
If hybrid SUVs get that kind of mileage, I'll buy two!

108 posted on 07/08/2005 4:26:02 PM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: Regulator
The idiot idea known as the "Diamond Lanes" in California has shown itself to be a dismal failure.

A dismal failure has never stopped idiot bureaucrats from proposing more of the same.
I have worked with those morons up close and personal.

They'll just lie, cheat, steal, distort to keep throwing money at the problem.

What "counts" is good intentions, not results.

109 posted on 07/08/2005 4:29:47 PM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: keat
Two hybrids driven separately pollute more that one conventional Honda Civic with two passengers.

BS!

You are entitled to your opinion, but not to make up your own facts (or math).
I suppose you could force that to work if you choose the "right" hybrids. The one I drive generates less than half the pollution of the equivalent sized non-hybrid.

110 posted on 07/08/2005 4:36:43 PM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: rkhampton
BSmeisters always amuse me.
For 15 years, I drove a car weighing 800 pounds less which got 30 honest and constand miles per gallon.
After 3 years and 46,000 miles, I am averaging 47.3 mpg, 95% of those miles on Interstate 5 at speeds between 62 and 70 mph; in other words, pretty much highway speeds.

Rolling resistance and other BS notwithstanding, I am quite sure I am not hallucinating.

111 posted on 07/08/2005 4:42:52 PM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: keat
You obviously have no clue what you're talking about, do you.

How many "D" size cells do you use in 10 years?

112 posted on 07/08/2005 4:45:43 PM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: bmwcyle
That's wonderful!
Run along and tell your mommy, OK?
113 posted on 07/08/2005 4:47:09 PM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: B Knotts
The only hybrid that actually gets more than 45 mpg is the Honda Insight.

Exactly wrong.

114 posted on 07/08/2005 4:48:20 PM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: Publius6961

I'm talking widespread real-world, not anecdotally.


115 posted on 07/08/2005 4:56:37 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: Little Pig
That's because most haven't been on the road long enough. The design life of these batteries is in the 4-5 year range, though, so they will soon be coming in for replacement

Interesting math. The first Priuses started selling in 1997...
But what the hay. The facts may be wrong but the intention is in the right place.

116 posted on 07/08/2005 4:58:00 PM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: Publius6961

Chill out dude. Go take a nap.


117 posted on 07/08/2005 5:06:34 PM PDT by keat (Posting code without previewing since 2004)
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To: B Knotts
Widespread real-world, the Prius is by far the highest selling hybrid; and they all get 46+ mpg; many get 55+

Nothing anecdotal about that. I have all the records on mine. After three years, I do have a few problems with the execution, but none concerning adequate power and mileage.

118 posted on 07/08/2005 5:11:38 PM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: keat
Chill out dude. Go take a nap.

What's the matter kid? Afraid to admit that you had no clue that the driving battery in the Prius consists of "D" sized cells?

119 posted on 07/08/2005 5:13:31 PM PDT by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: Publius6961
Rolling resistance and other BS notwithstanding, I am quite sure I am not hallucinating.

I haven't yet exchanged comments with you on this thread, but since you mention something I said in one of my replies, you are obviously addressing me. Still I haven't a clue as to what you are talking about. I think this is more of a problem with cognitive dissonance or just plain reading comprehension, rather than BS.

120 posted on 07/08/2005 6:09:12 PM PDT by rkhampton
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