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CCTV footage may help track bombers
The Sydney Morning Herald ^ | July 8, 2005 | Staff

Posted on 07/07/2005 2:19:21 PM PDT by WmShirerAdmirer

Almost everywhere Londoners go in public, chances are they're being tracked by cameras.

Now officials say the British capital's ubiquitous closed-circuit TV cameras may help police determine who was behind the attacks. Thousands of them watch the Underground system alone, and investigators have used the footage in the past to solve crimes.

London's train stations are monitored by 1,800 cameras, and there are more than 6,000 watching the capital's Tube network. Cameras also have been installed on some London buses.

On top of that, more and more people carry pocket-size digital cameras and camera phones, and some footage from such sources, inside Underground carriages, had already found its way to British TV by afternoon.

"Clearly we've had considerable success in the past using closed-circuit television footage in order to trace the movements of the people involved" in various crimes, Deputy Assistant Commissioner Brian Paddick said after the bloody Underground and bus attacks.

"That will be one of our first priorities, as well as securing whatever forensic evidence we can secure from the various scenes," Paddick said.

Police will have full access to all footage taken of the London rail and the bus network, as well as images from cameras mounted around the entrances to stations and at bus stops, authorities said.

An estimated 4.2 million cameras - largely concentrated in London and other major cities - observe Britons as they go about their daily business, whether they're waiting for a bus, riding a train, lining up at a bank or parking a car in a public garage.

The phalanx of security cameras has earned Britain a reputation as a world leader of surveillance, and has led to criticism that the constant monitoring takes the Orwellian concept of Big Brother to an extreme.

Critics contend the system is of limited use because the monitoring screens at the CCTV command post aren't closely watched in real time, meaning the images rarely are used to stop a crime in progress - only help authorities investigate one after the fact.

It's widely estimated that the average Briton is caught on various cameras up to 300 times on a normal day.

But police have had success in the past in solving crimes by poring over frames of video footage. Such work has become a routine part of police operations, the Metropolitan Police said.

Last year, closed-circuit video helped British authorities in several high-profile cases, including a 12-year-old boy who robbed a store at gunpoint; the disappearance of a doctor; attacks by a serial rapist; a father and son hit by a train; a rash of school laptop computer thefts; and a soccer riot.

© 2005 AAP


TOPICS: News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; cctv; islamofascism; jihadinengland; jihadineurope; jihadinlondon; koranimals; london; londonattacked; religionofpeace; religionofpieces; religionoftolerance; terrorism; terroristbombings; terrorists; trop; videotapes; waronterror; wot
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"Big Brother"
1 posted on 07/07/2005 2:19:21 PM PDT by WmShirerAdmirer
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

I'd forgotten about those.


2 posted on 07/07/2005 2:19:58 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Now that taglines are cool, I refuse to have one.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
I posted about this earlier.

The number of cameras in the UK is stunning.

3 posted on 07/07/2005 2:30:35 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Get all the incumbents out of politics!)
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

I believe that they have a camera system to check every license plate entering London. They are charged a fee every time they enter certain parts of the city. A fairly high amount if I remember correctly.


4 posted on 07/07/2005 2:32:36 PM PDT by FreePaul
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To: FreePaul

I hope they catch those white Christian men responsible for this....


5 posted on 07/07/2005 2:33:40 PM PDT by samadams2000
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To: FreePaul

Good info, thanks for the tip.


6 posted on 07/07/2005 2:52:20 PM PDT by WmShirerAdmirer
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To: isthisnickcool

Sorry, I put the title in the "title search" in quotes and it still didn't come up. Hope you got a lot of readers, it's great news.


7 posted on 07/07/2005 2:54:34 PM PDT by WmShirerAdmirer
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To: samadams2000

"white Christian men "

White Christian men cleaned up America when the KKK was up to the same stuff in our country. We now need True Muslim Men to clean up their own yards.


8 posted on 07/07/2005 2:56:51 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (shoot low, they are riding Shetlands.....)
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To: WmShirerAdmirer

I'm still waiting for the pictures of the Pentagon on 9/11. Of all the cams surrounding, and inside, why haven't we seen an actual picture of a plane going into the building. I doubt we'll see the London pictures, due to the power problem.


9 posted on 07/07/2005 3:05:55 PM PDT by s2baccha
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To: hadaclueonce

Not gonna happen. Once they allowed the sacrificial killing of their own children and the cowardly killing of innocents...there is no turning back for them. They are forever dirty.


10 posted on 07/07/2005 3:11:50 PM PDT by samadams2000
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To: s2baccha

we need to??


11 posted on 07/07/2005 3:14:00 PM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: bobdsmith

It would shut up the tin foiler's. Why not show them? I've always wondered about the Oklahoma City bombing too. A major downtown area, even in the mid-90's, should have at least a few pictures of detonation, or something.


12 posted on 07/07/2005 3:18:50 PM PDT by s2baccha
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To: samadams2000

My suggestion was the only thing that would prevent a "holy war'" Their God versus my God. If they want it, lets get it on. I am betting on mine.


13 posted on 07/07/2005 3:25:45 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (shoot low, they are riding Shetlands.....)
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To: s2baccha
I've always wondered about the Oklahoma City bombing too.

Here was Timmy visiting McD's for a hot apple pie on 17 April 1995:


14 posted on 07/07/2005 3:27:29 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: WmShirerAdmirer
When Germany says "London's freedom was under attack" stories like these make you wonder, "What freedom"?.

The Sustainable developers in Britain have taken over so many government functions, they have been systematically re-engineering the roadways so that the only choice for transportation is public transportation. Not only do you lose your privacy when your only transportation is public (where you go, when you go, who sees you), you are put in danger by any radical that cares to harm you on the transportation system. The cameras, too, are a part of sustainable development. The sustainable developers argue, that since you must be traveling with the rest of the public, always in public spaces, you are more vulnerable to crime. So they say, cameras need to be placed everywhere to keep the crimes against you down.

If London or Britain for that matter was preserving freedom, they would make sure if your transportation preference was for private transportation you could keep it. And if your preference was to travel freely, on your own timetable, and not frequent public places where you might be a victim of a crime, you could do so because you have your own transportation options.

The push to make all transportation public in this country is going to harm our freedom as well. It has already done so with respect to air travel.
15 posted on 07/07/2005 3:29:37 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: s2baccha

Of course there is a picture. A camera from an adjacent parking lot captured at least three frames of the jet before it impacted the Pentagon.


16 posted on 07/07/2005 3:30:38 PM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: isthisnickcool

Can those camera mounts support a high powered rifle?


17 posted on 07/07/2005 3:32:02 PM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: Tijeras_Slim

It might be a help now but the crucial point is these cameras didn't prevent the bombings. If these perps were martyr oriented the fact that their final act was on camera for posterity would be a plus not a minus. If they get captured because of the cameras the victims are still dead and injured.


18 posted on 07/07/2005 3:35:41 PM PDT by xp38
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To: s2baccha
"I'm still waiting for the pictures of the Pentagon on 9/11."

Just do an image search for pentagon surveillance or pentagon plane and you will see them.


19 posted on 07/07/2005 3:36:09 PM PDT by DocRock
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To: jaydubya2

Right, "A camera". I've seen those frames, still no plane. What I'm saying is that there's probably hundreds of cameras both inside and out of the building. Why only "a camera" with "three frames". I know, I know, I'm going for the foil right now.


20 posted on 07/07/2005 3:38:14 PM PDT by s2baccha
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