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James Carroll: The war against Islam is a war of one civilization against another -- as Samuel Huntington articulated so explicitly, before the war actually broke out, in his "Clash of Civilizations." That thesis defines Christian, Western, European civilization as besieged, especially by Islam.

That paranoid, Manichaean mindset has Europe in its grip in some very powerful ways, and now the United States has joined it. This 21st Century war against Islam is the issue. The war in Iraq is making America the enemy of Muslims. And radical Muslim movements are on the upswing because of us. Because of us, not because of the jihadists from Saudi Arabia.

In our lifetimes, Islam has been a dozen different things. Islam in Indonesia, Islam in India, Islam in Bangladesh -- all very different from Islam in Saudi Arabia or Iran. Islam in China is very different. And yet all Muslims have reason now to suspect that they’ve been targeted in this broad, sweeping war of civilization, articulated by Huntington, and now really being waged by the Pentagon. It’s a terrible mistake, and it’s going to put its stamp on the 21st Century. It’s a nightmare.

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1 posted on 07/07/2005 11:51:22 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: fight_truth_decay

PING!


2 posted on 07/07/2005 11:53:21 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin (You make my heart glad by building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: fight_truth_decay

These idiots are so tedious. At least the guy comes across as an unvarnished anti-American, sans the usual lipservice from the left about "love of country."


3 posted on 07/07/2005 11:53:48 AM PDT by My2Cents ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: fight_truth_decay

Ah, I was waiting for the Democratic response to the fireworks ever since the last cannonshot of the 1812 Overture in Washington DC.

Here it is.


4 posted on 07/07/2005 11:54:51 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan
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Not a less innocent one, because American innocence was never the truth.

An idea that obsesses the liberals. I've never once--not ONCE--heard a conservative talk about American innocence. But the left, which worships the imaginary "childlike" innocence as being a folk song-singing outstretched hand holding "bread" or "comfort" can't get over these ridiculous myths.

Carroll is adamantly anti-American and anti-Catholic, to boot. No wonder the Globe loves him.

5 posted on 07/07/2005 11:55:14 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (6/30/05 budget deficit down http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0620/p17s01-cogn.html)
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James Carroll: The war against Islam is a war of one civilization against another

Bull. The clash is a war between civilization and barbarism, and anyone who fails to see that isn't fit to be included among the *civilized.*

6 posted on 07/07/2005 11:55:28 AM PDT by My2Cents ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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The war in Iraq is making America the enemy of Muslims. And radical Muslim movements are on the upswing because of us. Because of us, not because of the jihadists from Saudi Arabia.

Did this a$$hole just wake up ala Rip Van Winkle? Hey Carroll! What about the last 50 years (acutally the last 1400 years)? What part of submission don't you understand? Sheesh.

I guess being a dickhead comes easy to some people.

5.56mm

8 posted on 07/07/2005 11:56:53 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: fight_truth_decay

"Can we think about what, exactly, we were celebrating?"

Freedom, country, courage, our ancestors, the valiant dead who defended our country from its enemies, our children who will inherit what we leave them?

We sure weren't celebrating James Carroll and his friends.


9 posted on 07/07/2005 11:57:24 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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If this doofus has to ask (whether rhetorically or literally) what we are celebrating, then he's not the kind of American worth sacrificing a single soldier's life for.


10 posted on 07/07/2005 11:57:59 AM PDT by kromike
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To: fight_truth_decay

Who is James Carroll and why do we give d@mn what he thinks? Esp. since he seems to be from the PRM that continually re-elects scum like Ted Kennedy?


11 posted on 07/07/2005 12:00:02 PM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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"The war in Iraq is making America the enemy of Muslims. And radical Muslim movements are on the upswing because of us. Because of us, not because of the jihadists from Saudi Arabia."

Oh yeah, if we'd only given Al Qaeda in Iraq therapy instead of shooting and bombing them, they wouldn't be murdering Egyptian Envoys in Baghdad or blowing up busses, trains, and subways in Spain and Britain.

Not!

18 posted on 07/07/2005 12:14:29 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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I thought most Americans enjoyed the 4th of July - until this prophet of doom started his handwringing.


22 posted on 07/07/2005 12:18:03 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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I went to the link.

Carroll's unguent assertions would gag a maggot on a gut-wagon. The smarmy interviewer is a towel-holder of the lowest type.

These people have no shame. None.


23 posted on 07/07/2005 12:18:15 PM PDT by headsonpikes ("The U.S. Constitution poses no serious threat to our form of government.")
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To: fight_truth_decay

You know if those of us that fight ever lose it will be the worthless scum like this terrorist sympathizer who the mullahs will come for first.


31 posted on 07/07/2005 12:27:47 PM PDT by An Old Marine
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That paranoid, Manichaean mindset has Europe in its grip in some very powerful ways, and now the United States has joined it. This 21st Century war against Islam is the issue. The war in Iraq is making America the enemy of Muslims. And radical Muslim movements are on the upswing because of us. Because of us, not because of the jihadists from Saudi Arabia.

Yeah, it's not like the Muslims ever attacked the U.S. We started this, right? :-b...

35 posted on 07/07/2005 1:09:04 PM PDT by Physicist
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I will wiz on his grave when he dies. This will keep me alive a long time. At least long enough to outlive this turd.


37 posted on 07/07/2005 2:16:57 PM PDT by satchmodog9 (Murder and weather are our only news)
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Is this written in Dan Rathers Pseudonym?


38 posted on 07/07/2005 2:54:11 PM PDT by Pagey (Whether Hillary Clintons' attacks on America are a success or a failure depends upon YOU TOO!)
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"Today's date puts the question of how high-flown American ideals square with the quotidian reality of what the nation is becoming."

Funny, but I can go hours, maybe all day without using the word "quotidian." Perhaps, weeks and years. In fact, I doubt I've ever used the word. Yet, I've been getting paid weekly for 35 years to get my point across to readers.
How did I ever do it without saying or writing "quotidian?"
I mean, it's not an everyday word.
Then again, I've never knowingly deconstructed anything. I think it would just take too long to break that idea down into concepts.
I'll betcha a buck E.B. White never used either word. And, he always got his point across.


40 posted on 07/07/2005 3:43:53 PM PDT by jjmcgo
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I have trouble celebrating a country so fully engulfed by a cultural revolution led by communist PC liberal idiot homosexual panty-waisted faggots like the author of this article. Good thing the so-called revolutionaries that infiltrated us don't have a man's worth of testosterone in the whole bunch of them because it's going to make it that much easier to go through them like the proverbial feces through a goose when the counter-revolution comes.

See you soon girly-boys. Don't soil your knickers.


42 posted on 07/07/2005 3:57:14 PM PDT by johnb838 (A chill wind.)
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James Carroll: "The "bursting in air" of July 4th is an implicit glorification of war."

What is implicit is that on every July Fourth patriotic Americans celebrate America's colonists' victorious revolution in 1776 with picnics and fireworks!

Carroll asks, "What kind of nation does our flag fly over now?"

Our flag flies over a brave and civilized nation - a constitutional republic which under attack by terrorists, leftists and the ACLU.


47 posted on 07/07/2005 5:57:39 PM PDT by purpleland
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