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SAAMI: Senate Bill 357 Could Ban Handgun Ammunition in California
SAAMI ^ | 07/05/2005 07:16:32 AM

Posted on 07/07/2005 9:18:51 AM PDT by Redcloak


SAAMI - Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufactrer's Institute, Inc.

Senate Bill 357 Could Ban Handgun Ammunition in California

Californians Take Action Now

Industry Members Take Action Now

The California legislature is considering a bill that would require serial numbers on all handgun ammunition, including rimfire ammunition, beginning in January of 2009. This bill, introduced by Senator Joseph Dunn and strongly supported by California Attorney General Bill Lockyer, is strongly opposed by SAAMI. The bill, if enacted, amounts to a de facto ammunition ban in California. Serialized ammunition would affect what is now a sophisticated, highly efficient bullet-manufacturing process that could lead to the bankruptcy of the ammunition industry in America. The bill intended to reduce the criminal misuse of firearms has no proven law enforcement benefits, and has the potential to affect national security. Read Senate Bill 357 introduced by Senator Dunn in February 2005 and subsequent Senate amendments [1] [2] [3] [4].

SAAMI Responds To Inaccurate Testimony

California Attorney General Lockyer's testimony in support of SB 357 raises more than a few important questions. He claims it would cost manufacturers an additional "one-quarter of one cent" to laser engrave a serial number on the base and side of a bullet of "handgun ammunition." Senator Dunn claims that the "cost is negligible" and that it is "easy to implement" bullet serialization into the ammunition manufacturing process. SAAMI accurately says it would cost hundreds of millions of dollars for firearms manufacturers to completely redesign their production facilities to incorporate the laser engraving bullets and casings and that bullet serialization is economically impossible.

A Bad Idea With National Repercussions

If SB 357 passes the California legislature, it will mandate that any handgun bullets and their cartridges manufactured, imported and sold in California be engraved with a serial number. The goal behind the serialization idea of matching bullets or their casings recovered at a crime scene with the purchaser of the ammunition may sound laudable in theory, but it is totally unrealistic. Manufacturers would be forced to abandon the California market or go bankrupt. Increased costs for ammunition would dramatically affect our armed forces and state and local law enforcement by forcing a curtailment of training that would threaten homeland security.

House Armed Services Committee Chairman Rep. Duncan Hunter Opposes SB 357: "I am a proud supporter of law enforcement's efforts to reduce the criminal misuse of firearms," says Duncan Hunter in a letter to Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger. ". . . I am strongly opposed to this proposal because of the harmful impact it will have on the manufacturers of ammunition used by our nation's armed services and law enforcement agencies."

Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee is concerned for the future of the ammunition industry in his state. "I have toured one of the major manufacturing plants and cannot imagine it being practical to serialize each cartridge. ... My administration has reflected my high regard for law enforcement and homeland security. But because there is no safe, feasible way to implement the requirements of this bill, I do not believe it is justified."

Congressman for All Alaska, Don Young, in his letter to Michael Chertoff, Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, says, "I am a firm believer that state issues fall squarely within the domain of state and local elected officials. However, because of the nature of ammunition manufacturing, the character of the California market, and the national security concerns, there is in this unique case a federal nexus for review."

Assemblymember Ray Haynes, in an editorial submitted to the Los Angeles daily Metropolitan News-Enterprise says the California Legislature is "missing the target again on crime."

View a modern ammunition factory in action

This visual tour through a modern ammunition factory shows the impossibility of bullet serialization. SB 357 threatens to disrupt a sophisticated, highly efficient bullet-manufacturing process.

 

Law Enforcement Does Not Support This Bill

Senator Dunn's bill is intended to help reduce the criminal misuse of firearms. Yet many in law enforcement oppose this bill because there are no proven law enforcement benefits. No study has been initiated to demonstrate any value in serialization and the enormous costs to implement a serialization system would impact funds for proven crime-fighting initiatives.

James J. Fotis, Executive Director of The Law Enforcement Alliance of America states that SB 357 will endanger officer safety by harming police firearms training. " . . . if passed, this legislation will certainly play out like a horror flick on public safety and law enforcement in California."

Anthony J. Craver, Sheriff-Coroner of Mendocino County states "This is not a way to reduce gun-related crimes. Let's face it; this is just one more way to make gun ownership in California more difficult for honest people."

Industry Leaders Voice Opposition

Winchester Ammunition manufactures several million rounds of ammunition in a single day to supply the military, law enforcement agencies and sportsmen.
"Any attempt to comply with the proposed requirements would result in a massive slowdown in production," says R. M. Hammet, president. "It would be impossible as a matter of pure economics for my company to comply with this proposal and remain profitable."

Thomas L. Millner, president and CEO of Remington Arms Company, Inc. claims that "this proposal would be prohibitively expensive to implement" and would "turn modern assembly lines into early 19th century piece work shops."

SAAMI's letter to the California legislature states that there are important cost/benefit and public policy questions that must be fully examined and answered before bullet serialization of ammunition is imposed upon the industry.

The National Association of Sporting Goods Retailers, the association of more than 51 of the strongest and best firearms and sporting goods wholesale distributors in North America, say that passage of this bill would have a tremendous negative impact on the sporting goods business in California. Technology is untested and serialization will not reduce crime.

The National Reloading Manufacturers Association (NRMA) represent American companies which manufacture reloading components and tools. Executive director, Greg Chevalier urges Governor Schwarzenegger to oppose bullet serialization "for the long term good and safety of California and all Californians." The bill will not reduce crime and will further burden "law-abiding gun owners and the millions of Californians who participate in the shooting sports and in the hobby of reloading."

The California Rifle and Pistol Association, Inc. opposes bullet serialization not only because there are too many "unconsidered and uncontrollable variables" that make this legislation an impractical crime-prevention tool, but also this "would quickly become just another poorly thought out law that in reality, once again, affects lawful citizens who are not a part of the firearms-related crime problem."

The CRPA is also urging California sheriffs to oppose serialized handgun ammunition. "The issue of survivability of a serial number on bullets is only a small part of the total picture ..."

Take Action Now.

A vote on this bill in the California Legislature is expected soon.
Voice your opposition and call your lawmakers today.

Address letters to:

Senator Joseph Dunn
State Capitol
Room 2080
Sacramento CA 95814
916-445-5831
916-323-2323



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: ammunition; bang; firearms; joedunn; rkba; saami; sb357
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To: Redcloak

Every ammunition manufacturer needs to state that it will no longer supply ammunition to California law-enforcement agencies if this bill becomes law.


21 posted on 07/07/2005 10:17:11 AM PDT by gieriscm
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To: doug from upland

"The people who support this are the same people who oppose laws that keep gang members from congregating together in public parks. The only problem with guns is the bad guys who own them, not the good guys who own them."

You are right of course but the problem with the banners is that they are impervious to common sense. They have a utopian dream and they mean to realize that dream in spite of any pain they may cause to the citizens of California or the nation. They will continue on their reckless path until it blows up in their faces and they're sitting on their butts wondering what happened. We are headed for an explosion in this country and I think our leaders know that. It makes me wonder what their agenda really is.

Sic Semper Tyrannis!


22 posted on 07/07/2005 10:30:53 AM PDT by dljordan
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To: dljordan

Perhaps someone needs to send Dunn a sign that says: THIS FAMILY DOES NOT BELIEVE IN GUNS, along with a challenge to post it in his front yard. Gee, I wonder why he would refuse to do that.


23 posted on 07/07/2005 10:39:19 AM PDT by doug from upland (The Hillary documentary is coming)
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To: gieriscm
I second the idea.

With such a lack of common sense, I wonder how the folks who think up ideas like bullet/case serial number thing, made it past their teens without killing themselves.

Ironic that Darwinism does not seem to apply to those who most believe in it.

Best Regards

Sergio
24 posted on 07/07/2005 10:50:07 AM PDT by Sergio (If a tree fell on a mime in the forest, would he make a sound?)
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To: garyhope

Under this bill, handloads would also require identificaqtion in 50 round batches. Importing unmarked ammo would be a crime. (A felony, IIRC.) It would be better to stop this bill cold than to toy with "too clever by half" work-arounds.


25 posted on 07/07/2005 11:25:52 AM PDT by Redcloak (We'll raise up our glasses against evil forces singin' "whiskey for my men and beer for my horses!")
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To: Little Ray

It's possible for anyone in California to either cast their own lead bullets or swedge jacketed bullets. No need to import bullets. If they want brass serial numbered, they have a problem with the old pre-law cases.


26 posted on 07/07/2005 12:07:44 PM PDT by meatloaf
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To: Redcloak
A ban on private gun ownership through the backdoor. This bill is unconstitutional, economically ludicrous, and a nightmare to implement. The reason it should be opposed is there are other ways to solve crimes that does not infringe on the RKBA that haven't even been tried yet.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
27 posted on 07/07/2005 12:27:07 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Redcloak
On any firing range,t here are a number of bullets laying downrange. Many of these have no damage, other than the grooves left by the rifling.

Being the curious sort, I picked up some of these bullets and reloaded them. They have plenty of accuracy out to 50 yards.

Now just suppose I wanted to kill someone. I go to the nearest firing range, pick up some of these magic serialized bullets, and reload them with very light loads.

At this point I have the perfect murder weapon. The police recover these magic bullets and come looking for you, or whomever they are registered to.

It may not result in the "perfect crime", but it sure throws a curve in the investigation and screws up the life of the "registered owner" of those bullets. Even worse the crime scene has bullets from two or more "registered owners"

28 posted on 07/07/2005 4:11:46 PM PDT by snowtigger (It ain't what you shoot, it's what you hit...)
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To: Redcloak

So the criminals from nearby states with "unregistered" ammo would be free to invade, rob, rape and pillage with impunity and without fear of being traced?

So, is every bullet in the world going to be registered?

How many rounds of ammo are manufactured every year? And everyone of them is registered and kept track of by all the little gun stores and dealers in the entire world? Even the ones in say Slovakia or Madagascar or New Guinea or Paraguay?

And all the ammo sellers and dealers there will keep meticulous and accurate records and will be real happy to cooperate with the local and international authorities?

And all the burglars and thieves will report their thefts to the proper authorities also.

Sounds like a plan to me.


29 posted on 07/07/2005 4:55:31 PM PDT by garyhope (moules et frites)
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To: stevio
"We're all in this together."
Damn straight.
30 posted on 07/09/2005 4:58:06 PM PDT by Tony in Hawaii (Lookin' for the joke with a microscope)
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To: ElkGroveDan; Redcloak
I just called Arnold's office to see what his official stance on AB352 & SB357. The person on the phone said that the governor will not take a stance until the bill reaches his desk.

Given the dems majority in both houses, it is safe to assume that these bills will make it to the governor's desk. The person did say that they have received many phone calls against these two bills.

31 posted on 07/18/2005 12:22:11 PM PDT by dc27
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