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Catholics cannot support abortion rights-Vatican
Yahoo News ^ | July 7, 2005 | Phillip Pulella

Posted on 07/07/2005 7:58:28 AM PDT by NYer

The Vatican on Thursday said too many Roman Catholics were not taking their religion seriously and that those faithful who receive communion and still support abortion rights were behaving scandalously.

In an 88-page working document for a synod of bishops to be held in October, the Vatican also decried dwindling attendance at Sunday Mass and reaffirmed a rule that Catholics who divorce and remarry outside the Church cannot take communion.

The document on the theme of the Eucharist said many Catholics had lost the sense of the sacred surrounding communion, which the Church teaches becomes the body and blood of Christ during the Mass.

One part of the document returned to an issue that remains particularly hot in the United States -- whether Catholics who support abortion rights can receive communion.

"Some receive communion while denying the teachings of the Church or publicly supporting immoral choices in life, such as abortion, without thinking that they are committing an act of grave personal dishonesty and causing scandal," it said.

"Some Catholics do not understand why it might be a sin to support a political candidate who is openly in favor of abortion or other serious acts against life, justice and peace," it said.

The U.S. Catholic community was divided last year over whether they should support presidential candidate John Kerry, himself an Catholic who supported abortion rights.

Some Catholics say they personally would not have an abortion but, in pluralistic societies such as the United States, feel obliged to support a woman's right to choose.

But the Church, which teaches that life begins at the moment of conception and that abortion is murder, says Catholics cannot have it both ways.

The document lamented what it called "a crisis in the meaning of belonging to the Church" and an inadequate understanding of the Catholic teaching that the presence of Christ in the Eucharist is real and not symbolic.

It said an increasingly secularized society had weakened the sense of mystery in the sacrament of communion. Too few Catholics were approaching communion with the "fear and trembling" that the true presence of God warranted.

It also listed a series of other "deficiencies and shadows" related to communion, lamenting that too many Catholics were taking the sacrament while they were in a state of sin because they had not gone to confession first.

"The faithful frequently receive Holy Communion without even thinking that they might be in state of mortal sin," it said.

The taking of communion by divorced Catholics who remarry outside the Church had become "a common occurrence in various countries" even though it is officially forbidden.

The Catholic Church forbids divorce.

The document lamented that in some developed countries participation at Sunday Mass was as low at 5 percent and again urged the faithful to keep Sunday holy.


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To: petconservative

Thank you for showing your true colors.


61 posted on 07/07/2005 8:28:11 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
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To: petconservative

Pedophelia is the act of sexual intercourse with underage children. Name one priest charged for this...


62 posted on 07/07/2005 8:28:33 AM PDT by mike182d ("Let fly the white flag of war." - Zapp Brannigan)
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To: Antoninus
Yeah, there are only about 1,000,000,000 Catholics worldwide, give or take a few hundred million. How many believers does your sect have?

Correction- there are about 1,000,000,000 self-identified Catholics worldwide. But those that deny any of the essential doctrine aren't Catholics, are they? Consider birth control:

A 1992 Gallup poll showed that 80 percent of U.S. Catholics disagreed with the statement "Using artificial means of birth control is wrong." And a 1996 study conducted by Father Thomas Sweetser for the Parish Evaluation Project found only 9 percent of Catholics who consider birth control to be wrong.
http://www.uscatholic.org/soundboard/1998/jun/bc2.html

You might want to revise your number a bit.
63 posted on 07/07/2005 8:28:44 AM PDT by armydoc
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To: kenth
Their reason for posting to the thread is merely to get in a few shots at Catholicism. Whatever, or whomever, drives their hate for the Church is so strong that they cannot control themselves when they see a thread concerning Catholicism.

************

I believe you are correct. It's sad.

64 posted on 07/07/2005 8:28:46 AM PDT by trisham ("Live Free or Die," General John Stark, July 31, 1809)
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To: petconservative
Who could believe such a teaching?

As Luther argued with Zwingli - estes estes estes (translation from the Greek: is is is). When God says this is my body, this is my blood, who are you to argue?

65 posted on 07/07/2005 8:28:46 AM PDT by unixadm (Ignorance can be fixed.)
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To: petconservative
Who could believe such a teaching?

Funny, that's what Jesus' disciples said.

John 6:52-66

Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"

Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.

Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him. Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your forefathers ate manna and died, but he who feeds on this bread will live forever." He said this while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.

On hearing it, many of his disciples said, "This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?"

Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, "Does this offend you? What if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before! The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit[e] and they are life. Yet there are some of you who do not believe." For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him. 65He went on to say, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled him."

From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.

1 Corinthians 11:23-30

For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, "This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me." In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me." For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.

Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. A man ought to examine himself before he eats of the bread and drinks of the cup. For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself. That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep [died].


66 posted on 07/07/2005 8:30:12 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: petconservative
Who could believe such a teaching?

Folks who take Jesus's words at the Last Supper seriously. We believe He meant EXACTLY what He said.

67 posted on 07/07/2005 8:30:20 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: frogjerk

>>but let's just say the Bishops have been out to lunch for quite some time as far as tending to their sheep.>>
I agree, and the liberalization of the Church has been a disaster as well.


68 posted on 07/07/2005 8:31:09 AM PDT by travlnmn41
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To: Pio

Never seen any church of any size that didn't have nominal members who seem to be there just because, and who sometimes cause scandal or rock the boat - Pentecostal and Baptist groups also are not immune from this...there's just more of us - people forget that sometimes...


69 posted on 07/07/2005 8:32:25 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: SuziQ
Folks who take Jesus's words at the Last Supper seriously. We believe He meant EXACTLY what He said.

Do you get hungry and thirsty?
70 posted on 07/07/2005 8:32:48 AM PDT by armydoc
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To: netmilsmom
This is going to be big news to my sister that was told by an office in the Cleveland Diocese that she may continue receiving the Sacraments without an annulment because, "We don't believe that anymore."

Idjits. That's the liberal flip side to the dolts who told folks back in the 50's that since they were divorced, they could no longer receive Communion, even if they had NOT re-married! I wonder how many people left the Church because they didn't question that?

71 posted on 07/07/2005 8:34:01 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: petconservative
Who could believe such a teaching?

Well, the apostles, all of the early chrch father, and pretty much anyone who wrote about Christianity for the first 1500 years after Christ who wasn't a Gnostic or Arian, just for starters...

72 posted on 07/07/2005 8:34:10 AM PDT by jscd3
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To: travlnmn41
>>but let's just say the Bishops have been out to lunch for quite some time as far as tending to their sheep.>> I agree, and the liberalization of the Church has been a disaster as well.

Liberalism: The cancer of the world

73 posted on 07/07/2005 8:34:27 AM PDT by frogjerk
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To: NYer

"Some Catholics say they personally would not have an abortion but, in pluralistic societies such as the United States, feel obliged to support a woman's right to choose."

The Church is not a democracy, and you do not have to remain within it.


74 posted on 07/07/2005 8:35:18 AM PDT by OpusatFR (Try permaculture and get back to the Founders intent. Mr. Jefferson lives!)
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To: Pio
As an Orthodox Christian I appreciate his stance and actions. (I still have no big interest to see the Orthodox church unite with the Catholic Church however if the points which have separated the two for so long can be resolved with attention to scripture, and biblical teaching: why not? It seems Pope Benedict is interested in pursuing that track)
75 posted on 07/07/2005 8:35:36 AM PDT by kharaku (G3 (http://www.cobolsoundsystem.com/mp3s/unreleased/evewasanape.mp3))
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To: Antoninus
"The cafeteria is closed. Get used to it."

"And by the way, Cardinal McCarrick, I think you have a letter for me." I like Papa Joe's sense of timing.

76 posted on 07/07/2005 8:36:45 AM PDT by Romulus (Der Inn fließt in den Tiber.)
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To: armydoc
"For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself." --St. Paul

It's in your Bible.

77 posted on 07/07/2005 8:37:07 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: armydoc

That's like asking "Is there still death?" in response to Jesus' words on eternal life.


78 posted on 07/07/2005 8:37:45 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
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To: kharaku

>>The popes statements are completely in line with the Orthodox take on the Eucharist and the Liturgy

LOL.. The orthodox can't even explain how the Bread and Wine are turned into the body and blood..And the Pope's statements are "in line"? LOL

And Ecclesial divorce, the Orthodox have yet to explain that in the light of the teachings of Christ..

Maybe one day, the Ortohdox will get in line with Rome and stop playing ethnic and regional politics -- it's the REAL reason for the scism in 1054... (the filoque was more of an excuse than a breaking point)


79 posted on 07/07/2005 8:38:13 AM PDT by 1stFreedom (1)
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To: petconservative
Who could believe such a teaching?

Only people who take Scripture seriously. Not Bible-haters like yourself.

80 posted on 07/07/2005 8:39:35 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander in Chief)
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