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Neanderthal Genome May Be Reconstructed
AP via Yahoo! ^ | 7/6/05 | Not given

Posted on 07/06/2005 10:10:07 AM PDT by malakhi

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To: Ursus arctos horribilis
Look at all the ego freaks who took an excess of steroids, then note their facial characteristics of Neanderthals?

That's more likely from human growth hormones. Those lead to calcium deposits in various parts of the body, including the forehead.

41 posted on 07/06/2005 10:44:28 AM PDT by Modernman ("Laws are like sausages, it is better not to see them being made." -Bismarck)
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To: ICE-FLYER; MississippiMan

Not to mention the mistake in the tagline.


42 posted on 07/06/2005 10:46:51 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (last updated by FR profile on Tuesday, May 10, 2005.)
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To: ICE-FLYER

The probable purpose to the project is to create more phony support for Replacement. It doesn't have anything to do with a "missing link".

It's interesting that the abuse still heaped on Neandertal (and it's seen in rhetoric equating living people with the Neandertal, including messages on this thread) was created in the 19th century by a champion of stasis (vs evolutionary change).

Ted Kennedy once characterized as "antiquated and Neanderthal" (I think that's the quote) congressional opposition to women in combat. I think he was hoping there'd be a lot of future, coed combat involving river crossings.


43 posted on 07/06/2005 10:52:18 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (last updated by FR profile on Tuesday, May 10, 2005.)
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To: ICE-FLYER
What better way to INVENT the missing link to a flawed and failed THEORY that has become twisted fact in the minds of so many around the world. Don't have the facts...INVENT them and say "Oh yes, this is what it would have looked like!"

As a scientist with faith in Him may I please ask you to stop making an ass of yourself. Why is it that those who profess having the GIFT of faith are so terrified by the incremental attainment of knowledge (not necessarily wisdom) about the nature of the universe that He made...

You must really underestimate the Maker if you think he didn't put enough English on the cue ball to set all this in motion in one Big Bang. You belittle Him by implying that He must run just behind the bicycle and adjust it every 3 feet or else the universe will tip over, scratch its knees and cry.

The Maker I know is so incomprehensibly bright that He imbued this creation with an ability to adapt through mutation to a changing environment.

44 posted on 07/06/2005 10:52:24 AM PDT by corkoman (Overhyped)
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To: My2Cents

[elephant noises] ROFLMAO!


45 posted on 07/06/2005 10:55:04 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (last updated by FR profile on Tuesday, May 10, 2005.)
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To: My2Cents

> The representation almost looks "human."

It's also very, very white (I thought it looked like a mildly cute Irish girl with a broad nose). One wonders whether the "Tut was a black man!" crowd will decide they'd rather Neanderthals were white, black, brown or "other."


46 posted on 07/06/2005 10:55:35 AM PDT by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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To: ICE-FLYER

You're not alone - I totally agree with you.


47 posted on 07/06/2005 11:03:33 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: ICE-FLYER
I do not trust that useful or valid information will flow from this other than to support a failed and flawed theory.

I doubt Creationism or Intelligent Design will get any boost from this.

48 posted on 07/06/2005 11:05:40 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: SunkenCiv
Except for the bow lips and flat bridge on the nose looks like me when I was a kid, my hair was redder though closer to my daughter except for the nose and freckles.
49 posted on 07/06/2005 11:07:11 AM PDT by Little Bill (A 37%'r, a Red Spot on a Blue State, rats are evil.)
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To: orionblamblam

I don't know why the artist chose red hair, but the freckles and light skin are probably from the discovery of Neanderthal remains in northern Europe. The point, I think, is that those that study these things tend to impose their own prejudices upon what they are studying, particularly in how they repesent what they looked like.


50 posted on 07/06/2005 11:08:25 AM PDT by My2Cents ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: SunkenCiv
Not to mention the mistake in the tagline.

Yeah, I saw that. Sigh. This is one issue on which a subset of conservatives behave exactly like liberals: If you can't defend something, fire up the distraction engine, fueled by name-calling and innuendo. Pretend it's "beneath you" to discuss it.

MM

51 posted on 07/06/2005 11:09:24 AM PDT by MississippiMan (Americans should not be sacrificed on the altar of political correctness.)
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To: corkoman
As a scientist with faith in Him

This is called a qualifier line. It is supposed to make me feel small by equating your professed faith as validation for a belief in evolution OR Creation evolution and thus discrediting me. The real humor comes with the fact that I never expressed my faith or position other than suggesting that it is to support the worlds viewpoint of evolution.

Then in your holiness with the fruits of the Spirit clearly showing you go on to say may I please ask you to stop making an ass of yourself.

which is so uplifting to me.

Here you go on to say:
Why is it that those who profess having the GIFT of faith are so terrified by the incremental attainment of knowledge (not necessarily wisdom) about the nature of the universe that He made...

You inject my position when I have not. Way to go.

You must really underestimate the Maker if you think he didn't put enough English on the cue ball to set all this in motion in one Big Bang. You belittle Him by implying that He must run just behind the bicycle and adjust it every 3 feet or else the universe will tip over, scratch its knees and cry.

I am not a practicing Deist as you seem to suggest you are. Is this so? After all, I do not want to put words in your mouth.

The Maker I know is so incomprehensibly bright that He imbued this creation with an ability to adapt through mutation to a changing environment.

And injecting my faith here for the first time, the Maker I know has made clear that His foolishness is wiser than all of man so when I see people who purport to speak with definitive absolutism on subjects that are still but unproven theory as though they were fact...I may be a little bit hesitant to accept them carte blanche as you are asking me, or should I say, demanding me, to do.

52 posted on 07/06/2005 11:09:58 AM PDT by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

Is that a "scientific" conjecture, or one based upon your own prejudicial wishful thinking?


53 posted on 07/06/2005 11:11:27 AM PDT by My2Cents ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: orionblamblam
The representation almost looks "human."

It's also very, very white

Well.... they did live in a glacial climate, for a lot longer than Caucasoids did. And some Neanderthal bones bore suggestions of rickets, suggesting that vitamin D was in short supply -- which would definitely cause selection for lighter skin colors.

It could be argued that blond/red hair, blue eyes, and fair skin tones got into the modern population via a very small amount of gene flow from Neanderthals -- who had a much longer time to accumulate the necessary mutations. The red hair gene is estimated to be 100,000 years old, and there are a few recorded cases (Spain and Israel) of Neanderthal-modern hybrid skeletons, so such a transfer could have happened. Once these genes entered the modern population, the glacial climate could have rapidly selectively amplified them, "whitening" the incoming moderns very rapidly.

Of course neither mitochondria nor y-chromosome haplotypes show any evidence of Neanderthal mixture, but, if the admixture was at a very low percentage to begin with, the scarce Neanderthal haplotypes could easily have been wiped out during the population bottlenecks of the last glacial maximum.

54 posted on 07/06/2005 11:11:57 AM PDT by Rytwyng
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To: My2Cents

Irish?


55 posted on 07/06/2005 11:11:57 AM PDT by jpsb (I already know I am a terrible speller)
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To: My2Cents
That looks like Mary Kate and/or Ashley Olsen at about age 9...
56 posted on 07/06/2005 11:12:26 AM PDT by RayBob (Republicans...we eat our own.)
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To: MississippiMan
If you can't defend something, fire up the distraction engine, fueled by name-calling and innuendo. Pretend it's "beneath you" to discuss it.

There are enough examples of this on both sides of the debate.

57 posted on 07/06/2005 11:13:47 AM PDT by My2Cents ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: Little Bill; My2Cents; RayBob

:')

Redheads 'are neanderthal'
Source: Times UK
Posted on 04/17/2001 07:38:43 PDT by sirgawain
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3adc5573604d.htm


58 posted on 07/06/2005 11:16:15 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (last updated by FR profile on Tuesday, May 10, 2005.)
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To: My2Cents
Is that a "scientific" conjecture, or one based upon your own prejudicial wishful thinking?

It's my opinion based on the available evidence. Creationism and ID don't have much use for facts.

59 posted on 07/06/2005 11:16:43 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: orionblamblam
One wonders whether the "Tut was a black man!" crowd will decide they'd rather Neanderthals were white, black, brown or "other."

Paisley.

60 posted on 07/06/2005 11:18:30 AM PDT by Gumlegs
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