Why Women Must Change Too if we are to Rescue Marriage

The Financial Times ^ | July 5, 2005 | Richard Tomkins

[Melas]

Oh BS.

[Melas]

You don't need money to attract women. I'm living proof.

[papertyger]

You might be describing some that I've read about, like Susan faludi or Andrea Dworkin, but few real life feminists are like that, if any all outside the famously weird.

I'd have to agree. Most feminists are not hard-core theoreticians insulated from the consequences of their ideas.

In my experience, most feminists are simply opportunists looking for political positions that will give them the greatest advantage.

[SandyB]

After all, every single Fortune 500 company was started by a man. Many of today's most successful and brilliant people, Gates, Dell, etc., dropped out of college, and are a product of adapting, surviving, innovating in the trenches

YOu are looking at history, sure the 500 companies were started by males, back in the days when males went to college, and when males started their own businesses.

Bill Gates was interviewed and directly asked if he would hire himself if he applied to microsoft. Gates said that although he would like to hire himself, or someone like himself, he would not, because, as a dropout, he would never make it past the HR department.

[Melas]

Sigh I know what it means....I was hoping, obviously in vain, for specifics. You know, like, "This one kid carries a purse and wears lavender pants" or "My sons friend wears lipstick and go-go boots". The point was that I was trying to get more information so I could evaluate your claim.

[muir_redwoods]

I'm a 55 year-old man, widowed 1-1/2 years ago. I am financially secure, my three kids are mostly raised and my home is paid for, I will be able to retire in about 4 years and wouldn't think of getting married again. I had 29 wonderful years and in those nearly three dacades the social marketplace has changed a whole lot. When I was in my 20's the guys chased the women. Not now. I got hit on at my wife's wake, I was invited to a woman's summer home for a weekend 20 minutes after I met her. I'm not bragging and I know other widowers who have similar stories.

If a man has a job or financial security, looks okay and is not deep in debt he is considered prime. I'm going to enjoy the situation and make it plain that marriage is something I did and did well but I'm not doing it again.

[sam_paine]

ho hum.

[exnavychick]

I got hit on at my wife's wake...

My word, that's tacky! I have heard similar stories, too, though. *shudder*

[T. Jefferson]

Cute, and irrelevant, particularly the Gates comment. That must be the infamous liberal trickle up theory, where employees create the company, not the entrepreneur. My previous statement applies whether discussing Fortune 500 companies or small successful startups.

I can't imagine where you circle of info resides to come up with the all men skip college and no longer create businesses theory. Do you tall girls only hang out in bowling alleys?

: )

[SandyB]

Not really, we just want so much more. If you lived as a family in the 1950s did, you'd be surprised at just how cheaply you could live. Look at: Square footage of housing. They lived in cracker boxes back then. Appliances owned Vehicles owned and annual mileage Clothing owned Extras like gym memberships Eating out I think you'd find we could all squirrel away fortunes if we lived as spartan a lifestyle as they lived then.

average Federal personal income tax: $100.00

maximum annual social security tax: $45.00

average state personal income tax: $ 0

property tax: $40.00

sales tax: 2%

medicare tax: $ 0

credit card debt: 0

total federal debt: $257 billion

gasoline tax: 2 cents a gallon

cigarette tax: 5 cents a pack

Number of personal bankruptcies in 1950: 25,040

Those houses from the 1950's are still here, still around, and some of them are for sale - people still want to live in them. What you call a "cracker jack house", bought for $6 - 8000 in the 1950's, is now currently selling for $200,000 - $400,000. They also have real plaster on the walls, fancy woodwork, glass doorknobs, wood floors, etc.

[Melas]

They aren't selling for near that here. Here, $200,000 through $400,000 buys you a McMansion the size of a small bank.

[softwarecreator]

What's to evaluate?  When I was growing up there were maybe a handful of guys who exhibited what I would call "effeminate qualities" or were outright gay.  Today there are far, far, far more showing these characteristics.

Is this a scientific fact? no.
Did I consult a sociologist on my claim? no.
Did I commission a Gallup Poll on it? no.
Did I commission a RL Polk survey? no.
Will this hold up in court? no.
Did I question the youths about their sexual orientation? no.
Is there a +/- ratio of error? yes.
Could the results be exaggerated? yes.

Hope this helps!

[SandyB]

I can't imagine where you circle of info resides to come up with the all men skip college

Women now make up a majority of college students, a trend expected to continue as high school girls outperform boys in the classroom.

National college enrollment (two- and four-year colleges) Females: 56% Males: 44% **

U.S. high school students who... Ranked in top 10% of class Females: 56% Males: 42%

Maintained an A average Females: 62% Males: 38%

Natural Sciences Males: 46%; Females: 54%

Math Males: 45%; Females: 55%

Foreign Languages Males: 39%; Females: 61%

[Fawn]

I didn't say women staying at home is the root cause of divorce...getting married too young is probably the main reason. My point was that if men didn't cheat, there would be less divorces...alot less. It brought on the movement of the easy divorce. Men were cheating on their wives and the women decided not to put up with it...thus got up the nerve to divorce. Now...in todays world, they want to be able to support themselves instead of taking the ex to court for child support.

Also...any women today that doesn't get some kind of education before getting married and having kids is a fool.

[SandyB]

They aren't selling for near that here. Here, $200,000 through $400,000 buys you a McMansion the size of a small bank

the $6000 houses in my old neighborhood are now all currently selling in excess of $200,000, most of them, the "cracker jack" type, go for about $200,000 to $250,000. The 1955 house next door just sold for $240,000.

My friends from California tell me that their old houses are selling in excess of $400,000.

[SandyB]

Bill Gates was interviewed and directly asked if he would hire himself if he applied to microsoft. Gates said that although he would like to hire himself, or someone like himself, he would not, because, as a dropout, he would never make it past the HR department.

Cute, and irrelevant, particularly the Gates comment

Gates didnt think it was irrelevent. He was making a point that today it now takes more than what he had (and what he did not have - a degree).

[djreece]

Well said.

[papertyger]

Gates didnt think it was irrelevent. He was making a point that today it now takes more than what he had (and what he did not have - a degree).

Are you daft?

That's not the point he was making.

If there's any point at all to hiis statement, it's that you can't blaze trails through well travelled ground!

[papertyger]

marriage is something I did and did well but I'm not doing it again.

SEE!

You fear commitment...

[papertyger]

My point was that if men didn't cheat, there would be less divorces...alot less. It brought on the movement of the easy divorce. Men were cheating on their wives and the women decided not to put up with it...thus got up the nerve to divorce. Now...in todays world, they want to be able to support themselves instead of taking the ex to court for child support.

My, you've thought alot about this without any real experience, haven't you?