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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 5
Various News Outlets | 7/4/05

Posted on 07/04/2005 6:39:22 PM PDT by TexKat

Mountain Brook High School graduate Natalee Holloway went missing May 30 during a senior trip to Aruba.

AP photo


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: aruba; bethholloway; boycottaruba; fubaruba; jossymansur; kalpoes; mariainecroes; natalee; nataleeholloway; rubentrapenberg; vandersloots
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To: TexKat

"Greta asked "packed, or never unpacked?" Beth didn't respond, but I think that was a good question. With four girls staying in the room (2 double beds), and for only a 4-night trip, wasn't it more likely that Natalee never unpacked, but just took clothes out of her bag as she needed them? That's what I do, except to hang up a few things in the closet. I almost NEVER put things in the drawers..."

It is a good question but I would think the answer is easy enough to find out...ask the roommates.


1,821 posted on 07/07/2005 8:37:00 PM PDT by Teri0811
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To: txrangerette

Deepak ran the Internet cafe rangerette. Steve Croes was simply an irregular patron. Steve Croes was the DJ of the party boat named The Tattoo.


1,822 posted on 07/07/2005 8:39:50 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks should separate from central Canada and join together with Alberta !)
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To: TexKat
I find it interesting that she did not get out of the car.

Me, too, and that particular little detail has bugged me all along.

1,823 posted on 07/07/2005 8:41:01 PM PDT by elli1
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To: Canadian Outrage; Fred Nerks; TexKat; hummingbird; DeeJay; cajungirl; All
I think you are right, CO. the last night makes the scene just right for the scum. Slip her a roofie and do her on the beach...or at the apartment.

The roofie messes up her regular meds.

She is compliant at first, then she has a seizure. But Jurine and the boys go thru their thing. She is done...trashed. Then, she is glassy eyed and Jurine and the K'bros. are scared.

They call Daddy Sloot..."What have you boys done?"

"Nothing Daddy, she must'a been doing some strange drugs. " "We were all listening to music and suddenly she was outta it."

And Daddy says..."Boys, she doesn't have a pulse."

"Oh no, Daddy...what can we do!"

"Shut up boys...let me make a phone call. And then we'll talk about a story. No body, no crime."

1,824 posted on 07/07/2005 8:41:04 PM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: gingersnaps
Hmm, I don't remember ever saying it was impossible that one of the boys had murdered her. Actually, I've said I think that IS a possibility, although the time line for that theory seems problematic. (And Mark Fuhrman has also expressed that opinion. Is he a "liberal" who needs to "grow up" too?)

:::::Shaking head in disbelief.:::::
Fuhrman has made it very clear that he believes Joran is guilty.
1,825 posted on 07/07/2005 8:44:57 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: onyx

No kidding onyx. Why did FOX have to pull Greta now? I guess we will be reduced to following a CNN reporter or an MSNBC reporter. I think we should all email Fox and at least lodge our complaint about the timing they have chosen to leave Beth out on a limb. I had more faith in them than that.


1,826 posted on 07/07/2005 8:45:27 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks should separate from central Canada and join together with Alberta !)
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To: Teri0811

"If 3 creeps had raped me and then handed me off to others, I think my phone call would've involved words other than "I don't know these people." "I don't know these people" sounds like someone who is concerned for their safety. Had she just been raped and handed off, the call would have been a little more hysterical and the statements about the call(s) that have been released so far would have said that she called crying or in hysterics or that she said she was raped."

You're assuming that she was lucid. If she was drugged, she may not have even realized she'd been raped at that point or even what the hell was going on. But it's all speculation and I'm beginning to think we'll never know what happened. Sigh.

Bet the Aruban powers-that-be were thrilled this morning that the story got bumped by the London attacks.


1,827 posted on 07/07/2005 8:46:24 PM PDT by MonaMars
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To: MonaMars

Just a guess, but I think your theory is close to the bone. She wasn't lucid at all. Of course, the whole story is perhaps apocryphal. But it is logical.


1,828 posted on 07/07/2005 8:50:06 PM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: Palladin
First half hour of Greta is all about the London bombings. I hope Greta hasn't abandoned Beth Twitty, and I hope she wasn't just using Beth and Jug for ratings. :(

Is this the beginning of the end? Some days ago the NH story fell from the lead story on Nancy Grace, and then fell to just a few minutes of the broadcast...

Other stories on cable news seemed to leap-frog over the aging NH story. The London Olympics, for example. The location of Shasta Groane. (I am not arguing one way of the other about the relative newsworthiness of these stories.)

Tonight it was a small part of Greta's show (understandably due to the terrorist bombing.) Are they (Fox, Greta) hoping to wean viewers off the story? While many of us don't tire of it, how about most of their viewers? I am hearing a growing fatigue for the story from people on FR (people who tired of Scott Peterson and OJ etc.) and among the general public.

Without Fox in Aruba---and Fox/Greta will eventually leave, sooner or later and move on to other stories---I fear it will all be over for Beth. And that's what the judicial system and government of this banana republic are waiting on. The story will die and they can do what they wish, as they had planned at the git-go, until Beth and U.S. media screwed it up and they weren't able to frame the security guards.

Changing the subj a bit---has it been stated why Greta promo'd an interview with Deepak for her show LAST night (Wednesday night) that never happened? (Or did I just miss it somehow?)

1,829 posted on 07/07/2005 8:54:33 PM PDT by gg188
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To: Teri0811
The name of the woman who is the inspiration for the TV show "Medium" is really named Allison DuBois.

Let's use the correct term...WITCH.
1,830 posted on 07/07/2005 8:59:49 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: af_vet_1981
There is a time when the ends justify the means, and it is bringing perps to justice or justice to perps.

I still consider myself a young man at 63. During that time I have seen the Lord execute his judgment on many who thought they were in the clear. I get angry at individuals like Joran, but we can rest assured and be CERTAIN the Lord will have His vengeance.
1,831 posted on 07/07/2005 9:04:35 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: cajungirl; All
You may be mistaken. Only the Lord Jesus Christ knows the hearts of all. We can surmise, speculate, hypothesize, theorize and judge; however, we can not know the motivations and intentions of others. It is wise to speak from you own self and not others.

No one here has built a club house and posted a 'no admittance' sign on the door.

Prayer is the greatest service we can do for Natalie and her family. Live and let live. Let us have good will one for another.
1,832 posted on 07/07/2005 9:05:39 PM PDT by Countyline
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To: elli1
Me, too, and that particular little detail has bugged me all along.

Well it has not bugged me all along, because this was the first time I heard her say that she did not get out of the car.

1,833 posted on 07/07/2005 9:08:33 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: GarySpFc; af_vet_1981

You are correct, of course. But will judgement start in this life or the next...for Jurine.


1,834 posted on 07/07/2005 9:09:08 PM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: Canadian Outrage


Did you see her show tonight? The part two with Beth?
If not, be sure to watch the replay. Beth's segment is at the bottom of the hour. I won't spoil it for you here.

I'll be happy to write to FNC.


1,835 posted on 07/07/2005 9:14:29 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: TexKat

I picked it up in some written news articles early on in the case.


1,836 posted on 07/07/2005 9:14:47 PM PDT by elli1
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To: af_vet_1981

#1773 - You took the words out of my mouth. If we want to address something criminal here, it would be if Joran VDS and his father got away with this HORRENDOUS crime!!


1,837 posted on 07/07/2005 9:16:20 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks should separate from central Canada and join together with Alberta !)
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To: elli1

I find it interesting that she did not get out of the car.

Me, too, and that particular little detail has bugged me all along.


I believe she previously stated that the police insisted that she stay in the car.


1,838 posted on 07/07/2005 9:17:38 PM PDT by MonaMars
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To: Dark Skies

AMEN!! These two WILL pay for Eternity. I wouldn't want to stand before the Throne of Judgment as a Murderer.


1,839 posted on 07/07/2005 9:19:01 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks should separate from central Canada and join together with Alberta !)
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To: MonaMars

I believe she previously stated that the police insisted that she stay in the car.

Did she say why?

1,840 posted on 07/07/2005 9:27:46 PM PDT by elli1
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