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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 5
Various News Outlets | 7/4/05

Posted on 07/04/2005 6:39:22 PM PDT by TexKat

Mountain Brook High School graduate Natalee Holloway went missing May 30 during a senior trip to Aruba.

AP photo


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: aruba; bethholloway; boycottaruba; fubaruba; jossymansur; kalpoes; mariainecroes; natalee; nataleeholloway; rubentrapenberg; vandersloots
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To: over3Owithabrain
As you say, in America the defense lawyers would be laughing this off as a slam dunk for the suspects to go free with little or no detention at all. And as far as investigative mistakes being made, do I hear Boulder CO police or LAPD please? This is not peculiar to Aruba that the case started off possibly slow and off-track and some wrong suspects were detained.

Thanks for understanding my points!

I think the arrogant American media (with the notable exception of Greta, and maybe a few Fox reporters such as Rick Leventhal) are HURTING the search for Natalee by causing undertandable resentment amongst Arubans.

161 posted on 07/05/2005 7:25:35 AM PDT by gingersnaps
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To: gingersnaps

Well I for one don't blame the Arubans one bit for resenting the American media.

Lot of Dutch media there as well and, by some accounts, even more pushy & obnoxious than American press.

162 posted on 07/05/2005 7:26:06 AM PDT by elli1
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To: maggiefluffs
stop it you stupid b***h. go look for your daughter! stop accusing our people... innocent until proven guilty.

Well, b***h, she has been looking for her daughter!!! Maybe you ignorant little *hit haven't noticed that! Natalee's family was the ONLY people investigating in the beginning which let YOUR polis lose a great deal of evidence by letting the lead investigator aka Juran's godfather ignore his friends involvement.

And that is exactly why many Americans will NEVER step foot in that hell hole with attitudes like that.

I know that I would be more concerned about one of our citizens getting away with murder instead of trying to defend them!

If the Kalpoes aren't involved why aren't they spilling their guts?!

163 posted on 07/05/2005 7:29:31 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl
She has an attorney and since Beth did as much investigating as the Arubans did in the beginning I think she has evidence that you don't know about and obviously neither does the rest of the country.

That's my point - we don't know. And all she has offered is what she thinks and feels. Again, understandable but not prosecutable. If she has some proof that seemingly no one else has I'm sure sher would have her attorney present it. You can believe she has all the facts and the Arubans, FBI, etc. are just not acting on it. But all that is at this point is hope and wishful thinking.
164 posted on 07/05/2005 7:30:08 AM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: maggiefluffs
Thank maggiefluffs for posting those calls. I appreciate your help.
165 posted on 07/05/2005 7:30:27 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: over3Owithabrain

What good would "vigilante justice" do Natalee or her family?

She may be upset, but your suggestion that she was calling for something harmful to be done to the Kalpoes by the public is more strange to me than what she said.

Beth believes the Kalpoes have more knowledge of what went down than they are telling. Believing that, and she has her reasons, for sure, she wants them under pressure to reveal what she thinks they know. It is information she wants from them.

Could she be calling for the public to harm the Kalpoes? No way. Public pressure from the citizenry, however, for the Kalpoes to spill what she believes they know, is so obviously what she means.

And her comment that her biggest fear is they will leave Aruba, fits in exactly. There could be no public pressure if they leave Aruba.


166 posted on 07/05/2005 7:31:22 AM PDT by txrangerette
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To: xsmommy
xsmommy, you don't need to bother pinging me to posts about corruption in Aruba. I know it's there, and it's in any other tourist haven where you have a mix of gambling, alcohol and durgs. I would never set foot there, nor in any other Caribbean island. And I pray that my beautiful, intelligent, blond daughter, who is just a little older than Natalee, never sets foot on a Caribbean island either.

However, that's beside the point of my post. Perhaps 8 out of 10 posts I've made on this topic have been attacks on the US media, who I believe are HURTING the search for Natalee, and engendering anti-American feeling for no good reason.

Anyway, if you post to me and I don't respond, I'm not ignoring you. (It's very busy for me here and sometimes I can't get around to responding for days.)

167 posted on 07/05/2005 7:34:23 AM PDT by gingersnaps
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To: rolling_stone

The issue of lying was covered on an earlier thread. Someone who had visited the Caymans (I believe) said that it's typical islander stick-together stuff.


168 posted on 07/05/2005 7:35:26 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: kcvl

I hesitated to post the phone calls to Aruban radio, but it's important to know what's being broadcast on the island, IMO.


169 posted on 07/05/2005 7:36:51 AM PDT by maggief
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To: elli1
Lot of Dutch media there as well and, by some accounts, even more pushy & obnoxious than American press.

I don't doubt it. The British media may be even more obnoxious than ours, too.

That doesn't excuse the ignorance and arrogant behavior of our media, however. And like I've said, I think our media are HURTING the search for Natalee, not helping.

170 posted on 07/05/2005 7:38:07 AM PDT by gingersnaps
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To: txrangerette

To be honest, it is irrelevant what Beth believes, or feels, or thinks - as far as the actual search for truth and a crime here goes. She is a worried, frantic, despearate mother who probably regrets letting her daughter go wild in Aruba with little or no real supervision. Her story is sad and painful but the whole world cannot stop and force someone to confess to something that we really don't know happened or not. I am skeptical too of some of the detective work here and of the involvement of the suspects. But I have yet to see real proof of any coverup here, just people getting into the hype and emotionalism of this story.


171 posted on 07/05/2005 7:38:16 AM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: Dark Skies
Bless you! You have really made my day... in my mid-fifties.. I keep wondering when I will get old???
Prayers and love to Natalee's family...
172 posted on 07/05/2005 7:38:43 AM PDT by Fritzy (Fritzy)
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To: twigs

We in the south will smile and be delightfully polite right up to the point where we're cocking the shotgun.


173 posted on 07/05/2005 7:38:59 AM PDT by johnb838 (It's the socializm, stupid!)
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To: maggiefluffs

Please keep posting them. We all need to know what they think of the tourist who help to feed and cloth them by vacationing there.


174 posted on 07/05/2005 7:39:22 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: hummingbird

Isn't Surinam also a Dutch protectorate?


175 posted on 07/05/2005 7:39:28 AM PDT by johnb838 (It's the socializm, stupid!)
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To: gingersnaps

I think the arrogant American media (with the notable exception of Greta, and maybe a few Fox reporters such as Rick Leventhal) are HURTING the search for Natalee by causing undertandable resentment amongst Arubans.

I agree. Besides the resentment, the media amplifies any animosities between interests and strains the resources of investigators. It would not surprise me if the media #'s exceeded the total number of investigators on the case. OTOH, you have public interest that the media serves but that doesn't change the fact that the media can overwhelm the resources available to meet their needs.

176 posted on 07/05/2005 7:42:44 AM PDT by elli1
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To: gingersnaps

I prefer Fox over the others usually but they have been lousy with this story and firing people here up needlessly. I lost count of the number of "breaking news alerts" they have breathlessly announced on this, only to say later the story has "changed" or the lead was false. They know dragging this out and hyping this up is bringing them huge ratings. Every time they replay the now-old video of Greta retracing the alleged steps of that night they gain a few more converts who think they "know" what happened.


177 posted on 07/05/2005 7:43:08 AM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: gingersnaps
well i guess i just disagree, bc if the US media were not there along with Beth Twitty, i think this entire matter would be swept under the rug, as evidenced by their willingness to hang it on the two security guards from the get-go while letting the others walk free.

many of us are interested in the story because of having a daughter around that age. Mine is almost 17.

178 posted on 07/05/2005 7:43:12 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: maggiefluffs

The reality is, the only ones who are stupid are the Aruban sheeple who go along to get along with their corrupt officials.

I hope when those tourist dollars start drying up, the arubans will see who is really stupid. NSNR


179 posted on 07/05/2005 7:43:23 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: sarasota

That's just a stupid provincial attitude on their part. It is going to hurt them and all the islands I think. Better they should adopt an attitude of the tourist is always right. But I suppose that is the attitude toward tourists everywhere, US included. Take their money yet hold them in the deepest contempt.


180 posted on 07/05/2005 7:46:20 AM PDT by johnb838 (It's the socializm, stupid!)
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