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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 5
Various News Outlets | 7/4/05

Posted on 07/04/2005 6:39:22 PM PDT by TexKat

Mountain Brook High School graduate Natalee Holloway went missing May 30 during a senior trip to Aruba.

AP photo


TOPICS: Heated Discussion
KEYWORDS: aruba; bethholloway; boycottaruba; fubaruba; jossymansur; kalpoes; mariainecroes; natalee; nataleeholloway; rubentrapenberg; vandersloots
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To: libsl

Has there been any news of what was in the "box" (or the recovery of it) that TES located yesterday


1,561 posted on 07/07/2005 9:29:51 AM PDT by pnz1
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To: HoHoeHeaux

"Now can you explain the MS/Memphis thing to me? (o: I am sure there is an explanation but I can't grasp it right now."

Just in case no one explained this yet, the best route to Birmingham from Arkansas would be through Memphis. Coming out of Memphis you would take Highway 78 which will take you Southeast for a while into Mississippi and then due east to Alabama. Given what BHT said on Greta last night she would have received the call somewhere around Olive Branch, MS headed toward Tupelo.

Hope that helps.


1,562 posted on 07/07/2005 9:36:04 AM PDT by truthluva
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To: rolling_stone

Don't you know disrupting requires sacrifice? So many threads, so little time.


1,563 posted on 07/07/2005 9:43:12 AM PDT by auboy ("woof")
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To: xsmommy
We all might have behaved worse and there is no standard for how to behave in this situation other than to have results. They are there to have results and if stepping on the toes of others backfires .... the results wanted do not occur.

It is an observation. Beth and Jug would probably be the first to agree. It has been excruciatingly long with little progress.

Any concerned person here does not have to pass the censure police to make their own comment.
1,564 posted on 07/07/2005 9:51:44 AM PDT by Countyline
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To: pnz1

I know that they planned to try to dive today at the site where the sonar indicated there was a box or container of some sort.

One of the Aruban radio stations has apparently been reporting that the case is close to being solved. This was posted on Dan Reihl's site:

"I don't know any details, I just listened to the local talk show on the radio this morning where they were stating that we all have to brace ourselfs for the terrible news we are about to receive today, tomorrow or really soon... I'm taking it pretty serious.... Sorry I can't give more info, don't have it but when I do I will post."


1,565 posted on 07/07/2005 9:57:37 AM PDT by Andy'smom
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To: Countyline

who said they did?


1,566 posted on 07/07/2005 9:57:53 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Andy'smom

i pray for closure for this family. i hope it is soon.


1,567 posted on 07/07/2005 9:59:36 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Dark Skies

"At the Alpha male extreme, there is no sharing. I suggest that Jurine is not an alpha male but a sociopath. In which case, he still is not a sharer.

Of course, I could be wrong, but I suspect he did the dirty deed and sharing was not one of his characteristics."

Normally I'd agree, but I read an article which quoted a local as saying the Kalpoes were "bad men who mistreat women." I think the wolves down there hunt in packs.


1,568 posted on 07/07/2005 10:02:38 AM PDT by MonaMars
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To: Countyline; Ditter

What about the box found by TES? I didn't hear anything about that.

I still wonder about Kalpoes statement that Joran is no longer a friend. Yet he lied to protect Joran days earlier. The VDS parents should be ashamed. What kind of young man leaves a young woman alone on a beach like that?

We've got the Miranda and breathalizer tests. Why not add sodium pentathol and put an end to expensive, time-wasting neverending stories like this?


1,569 posted on 07/07/2005 10:04:54 AM PDT by Froufrou (Froufrou Loves The Spurs!)
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To: xsmommy
For thousands and thousands of posts and reading it all ... one has only to read along and watch what happens when someone comments other than the main consensus, which keeps being repeated hundreds of times over. It keeps interest up, and people checking for the latest news, etc., and the current news viewed from a slightly different angle comment ... receives a few 'going off' on them, like they owned the site.

Go back and see for yourself.
1,570 posted on 07/07/2005 10:10:53 AM PDT by Countyline
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To: Froufrou
What kind of young man leaves a young woman alone on a beach like that?

Or, posed another way, what kind of young woman does a young man like that leave on the beach?

Most likely a dead one.

1,571 posted on 07/07/2005 10:13:07 AM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: All

Does anyone know what the penalty might be if they can pin it on JVDS?

I'm not a mean person by nature, but if the VDS boy and dad are hiding something, and I'm convinced they are, I sure hope this will put an end to the possibility for dad to complete his judges training. I realize unscrupulous people are everywhere, but when you KNOW they are unscrupulous, dump 'em. JMO.


1,572 posted on 07/07/2005 10:15:14 AM PDT by Froufrou (Froufrou Loves The Spurs!)
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To: Dark Skies

Afraid you are right. But they don't seem too concerned about finding a body, do they? PVDS even counciled his son that there's no case without one!

Was going to post to you when you referred to yourself as a 'bloke.' Thought that was cute.

I think Anita knows something's wrong. You'd think they'd know as soon as Joran told her he left Natalee on the beach.

I don't buy it that she was in any way a willing participant. I think her punch was spiked.


1,573 posted on 07/07/2005 10:20:07 AM PDT by Froufrou (Froufrou Loves The Spurs!)
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To: Froufrou

"We've got the Miranda and breathalizer tests. Why not add sodium pentathol and put an end to expensive, time-wasting neverending stories like this?"


LOL! I agree. Of course it is not allowed to do that in our system of justice either.

"I still wonder about Kalpoes statement that Joran is no longer a friend."

While he is having strong feelings of being lied about by Joran; it might have been possible to get him to say something incriminating. But with a little time that will probably settle and he will cool off. It may be a missed opportunity.

"What about the box found by TES? I didn't hear anything about that."

Supposedly they are going to attempt retrieving it today. It is in treacherous waters and the waves are 5&6 feet high. Let us pray if Natalie is no longer alive, that this box 75 feet down is the answer.




1,574 posted on 07/07/2005 10:22:52 AM PDT by Countyline
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To: Froufrou

I haven't heard anymore about the box they think they spotted with sonar. I think the water is too rough for the divers to go back there. After this storm passes, then they will go back I am guessing.


1,575 posted on 07/07/2005 10:24:51 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Countyline; xsmommy
This is an emotional issue for many who've been following it since the start. When someone comes on the threads posting from a leftist slant, attacks can happen.

The same people defend the closed, unaccountable left leaning aruban govt., or the lying obstructing brothers, yada yada yada. They need to start their own thread, instead of clouding what little we do know.

1,576 posted on 07/07/2005 10:25:41 AM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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To: Froufrou
I don't buy it that she was in any way a willing participant. I think her punch was spiked.

Me, too. I hope that soon the divers can go down and check out that box spotted by Ralston's sonar.

I feel certain Papa Sloot was a big help in disposing of the body.

1,577 posted on 07/07/2005 10:35:14 AM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: monkeywrench

i agree. i find distinctly lacking in empathy those that criticize this family. and those that say they aren't, but in the next breath ARE, hear about it on these threads. saying what they SHOULD have done, how they SHOULD act, speak, conduct themselves, when sitting outside of the situation themselves, is very easy. this family didn't ASK to be thrust into this situation, but this is where they find themselves (cue the coulda shoulda wouldas that will undoubtedly come, right here...) Please God let her body be found and let them leave the island paradise and their detractors behind.


1,578 posted on 07/07/2005 10:47:09 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: truthluva

Thanks to all for the route info. I must have been temporarily stupid last night. I live in KY and and was looking at a map and trying to get to KY from Arkansas, not Al. So I had Beth in TN. when she stopped for the state trooper. Sorry. I am all better today!


1,579 posted on 07/07/2005 10:52:49 AM PDT by HoHoeHeaux
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To: xsmommy
On SM, right now, they're elated because the MB kids are to be "interrogated" by arubans finest. What a joke. Our FBI already questioned them. The aruban unjustice system is determined to sweep this away.

This is such a lefty tactic to accuse the victim. Think clinton.

1,580 posted on 07/07/2005 10:53:16 AM PDT by monkeywrench (Deut. 27:17 Cursed be he that removeth his neighbor's landmark)
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