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THE COST OF HISTORICAL IGNORANCE - (deplorable deterioration of American culture!)
Daley Times-Post.com ^ | JUNE 28, 2005 | DOUG HAGIN

Posted on 07/02/2005 8:30:16 PM PDT by CHARLITE

What is the price, the cost, of ignorance? How much does it steal from all of us when ignorant people are allowed to not only foist their mental shortcomings upon us, but also enact changes in standards and laws?

In particular, how much cost to our great nation, and collective American culture, does ignorance exact? How much has America lost over the past few generations because of how we teach history? How many Americans today have no clue as to what America’s history is?

A couple of very recent examples might help to illustrate the extreme cost of historical ignorance in America. A recent poll conducted by America On Line sought to see which America was considered the greatest of all. Well, a truly great American, Ronald Reagan did in fact win. In addition, two other true greats George Washington and Benjamin Franklin were fourth and fifth respectively.

That is the good news, now the bad. Thomas Jefferson, who wrote the Declaration of Independence, made the Louisiana Purchase, and was the third President, failed to make the top ten! Now before you let that upset you too much consider that James Monroe failed to make the top 100. Most galling, however is the exclusion of perhaps the most influential Founding Father, James Madison. He was not included in the top 100 either!

How, how, how can this be the case? There is no America without the United States Constitution is there? Moreover, who is rightfully called the Father of the Constitution? James Madison! Let’s be crystal clear here, to exclude Madison from this list is like excluding Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb, or Willie Mays from the top 100 baseball players list.

There is absolutely zero justification for such historical stupidity. When some of the folks who did make the list instead of Madison are considered, it becomes even more sickening. Oprah Winfrey, Michael Jordan, Lance Armstrong, Mohammed Ali, and Elvis Presley all made it, but NOT James Madison. What else, other than historical cluelessness can be blamed for such an omission?

Are we even teaching about the Founding Fathers anymore? If we are then how can the millions of Americans who voted in this poll NOT have placed Madison at or near the very top? Clearly too many of us are not educated about the beginnings of America. For Thomas Jefferson not to make the top ten is frankly disgusting, for Madison to be excluded altogether is beyond belief.

As disturbing, as the omission of Madison from the greatest American list is there is an equally disturbing and troubling story out of Palm Beach County, Florida. There, a middle school is soon going to be changing their name. Why is that a troubling example of historical ignorance? Well the soon-to-be changed name is Jefferson Davis Middle School. Yep, that is correct; the school is named for a great man who politically correct historians have effectively blacklisted.

Consider the description of Davis by the incredibly intellectually deficient Debra Robinson, a school-board member. “I don’t think we should name a school after Adolf Hitler. It is really that level with Jefferson Davis. I don’t think we should name schools for anyone that represents intolerance or straight-up hatred.”

So why, some of you may be asking, should any public school honor the President of the Confederate States of America? After all, doesn’t history teach that he was an evil White Southern slaveholder? Doesn’t history teach us that he led the attempted destruction of the Union to defend slavery in the South?

Well let me assure y’all if you have been taught such history, it is time you learned the truth about Jefferson Davis! First of all, yes, Davis did own slaves. He was quite different from many slave owners though. He educated his slaves, allowed them to have their own court system, to earn money, to marry. In fact, his deeply held belief was one-day slavery would thankfully end. He felt it the duty of the White Southerner to prepare the slaves for freedom. Unlike Lincoln who considered Blacks inherently inferior, and saw shipping them out of America as a solution, Davis saw a day when the races would be equal. Got that? Equal! He was possibly the most progressive thinker of his day in regards to slavery and the conditions of the races.

There is even more to Davis’s character that must be told though. He is the only, American President ever to adopt a Black child into his family! What is that? You ask. In 1864, his wife Varina Davis saw a young slave being beaten by his abusive owner. She stopped her carriage, saved the child and soon he was part of the Davis family. Jim Limber, the boy who became the greatest evidence of Davis’s compassion and love for all Southerners has, of course been whitewashed from history. Frankly a Black slave being adopted by the evil Confederate President does not fit the script politically correct historians want to teach us.

Sadly, foolish people like Debra Robinson have never learned the truth about Jefferson Davis. They look at him through intellectually challenged glasses! He owned slaves; slavery was bad so, therefore he was bad. Never mind that he was a brilliant statesman and orator. Never mind he was an incredibly honest man. Never mind he was a man who wanted both freedom AND equality for Blacks, and worked to achieve it.

Never mind all of that, he was a slave owner so therefore he was a mirror image of Hitler to the historically clueless! How pathetic that so many, including many on the political right are so historically bankrupt! So back to my original question. How much does this ignorance cost us? How much does it cost us when we forget great men like James Madison and James Monroe? How much does it cost to underestimate the importance of great men like Thomas Jefferson? How much is the cost of demonizing great men like Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee?

To determine how great the cost really is consider the deteriorating condition of our American culture. Consider that schools named for Jefferson, Davis, Washington and Lee are being changed. Consider that the history of America is rapidly being erased or rewritten. Consider that groups like the ACLU are winning and the Constitution is losing in court case after court case.

What is the cost? Eventually, my friends the cost is our nation.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: america; cost; culture; deterioration; education; founders; history; ignorance
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"There is no America without the United States Constitution is there? Moreover, who is rightfully called the Father of the Constitution? James Madison! Let’s be crystal clear here, to exclude Madison from this list is like excluding Babe Ruth, Ty Cobb, or Willie Mays from the top 100 baseball players list."
1 posted on 07/02/2005 8:30:20 PM PDT by CHARLITE
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To: CHARLITE

I bet half the people voted for Samuel adams because its "Always a good decision!"


2 posted on 07/02/2005 8:36:43 PM PDT by Xenophon450
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To: CHARLITE

bump!


3 posted on 07/02/2005 8:38:49 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: CHARLITE

I can't believe these people are just now noticing that the American education system is CRAP!!

Children are not taught about America - unless it to demean it and trash it.

Children are not taught about elections, voting, campaigns, how govt works.

WHY?? Because you can't FOOL AN INFORMED ELECTORATE.


4 posted on 07/02/2005 8:38:59 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: CHARLITE

If you don't know where you've been you won't know where you are going. So we repeat the same mistakes over and over again, hoping to finally get it RIGHT!


5 posted on 07/02/2005 8:39:41 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: CHARLITE
Sadly, many of today's citizens have no idea who our founders were, and the hordes of illegal aliens from throughout the world couldn't care less.

Schools in many areas are very busy teaching classes about how to put a condom on a banana, how to make change and balance a checkbook, how to appreciate diversity, third world culture, etc. ad nauseum, EVERYTHING BUT AMERICAN HISTORY.

6 posted on 07/02/2005 8:41:25 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: nmh

Try submitting THIS post on National Public Radio! Some people still prefer the Pink Panther movies over an intellectual academic piece that makes them THINK. Good post.


7 posted on 07/02/2005 8:45:25 PM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: CHARLITE
I have little respect for Jefferson Davis; not because he was a slaveholder or the President of the Confederacy but because he was foolishly naive at the end of the Civil War, refusing to honorably surrender even after Lee did and after most of his Cabinet and General Johnston suggested surrender. Otherwise he surrounded himself with yes-men and sycophants and was difficult to work with, according to many accounts.
8 posted on 07/02/2005 8:49:44 PM PDT by okstate
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To: rovenstinez
This is stunning:

He felt it the duty of the White Southerner to prepare the slaves for freedom. Unlike Lincoln who considered Blacks inherently inferior, and saw shipping them out of America as a solution, Davis saw a day when the races would be equal. Got that? Equal! He was possibly the most progressive thinker of his day in regards to slavery and the conditions of the races.

There is even more to Davis’s character that must be told though. He is the only, American President ever to adopt a Black child into his family! What is that? You ask. In 1864, his wife Varina Davis saw a young slave being beaten by his abusive owner. She stopped her carriage, saved the child and soon he was part of the Davis family. Jim Limber, the boy who became the greatest evidence of Davis’s compassion and love for all Southerners has, of course been whitewashed from history. Frankly a Black slave being adopted by the evil Confederate President does not fit the script politically correct historians want to teach us.

9 posted on 07/02/2005 9:20:40 PM PDT by GOPJ
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To: rovenstinez
Nah, they're too busy fantasizing about a godless utopia and venting their anger at others who require personal responsibility. Still others are busy entertaining themselves to death and popping antidepressants when there is nothing to entertain them.

THINKING is the LAST thing they want to do!
10 posted on 07/02/2005 9:29:53 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Peanut Gallery

ping


11 posted on 07/02/2005 9:30:11 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (Celebrate your Independence, buy cheap foriegn made crap at Deep, Deep discounts!)
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To: CHARLITE; stand watie
Consider the description of Davis by the incredibly intellectually deficient Debra Robinson, a school-board member. “I don’t think we should name a school after Adolf Hitler. It is really that level with Jefferson Davis. I don’t think we should name schools for anyone that represents intolerance or straight-up hatred.”

If this whack-job wants to compare somebody from that era with Hitler, why don't they try Abraham Lincoln? He sure didn't tolerate antiwar opinions during the War Between the States. He shut down numerous newspapers that disagreed with him. He tried to have a Supreme Court justice arrested. He suspended Habeas Corpus (which was unconstitutional because that's Congress's job). One of his generals, William Tecumseh Sherman, razed an American city (Atlanta). I even heard that there was a CONCENTRATION CAMP somewhere in Maryland for confederates (Point Lookout?).

OK, I know it's absurd to compare Abraham Lincoln to Adolf Hitler, but unless Jefferson Davis was a tyrant himself, I think Lincoln would come closer.

12 posted on 07/02/2005 9:41:21 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Deport them all; let Fox sort them out!)
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To: CHARLITE; stand watie
Well let me assure y’all if you have been taught such history, it is time you learned the truth about Jefferson Davis! First of all, yes, Davis did own slaves. He was quite different from many slave owners though. He educated his slaves, allowed them to have their own court system, to earn money, to marry. In fact, his deeply held belief was one-day slavery would thankfully end. He felt it the duty of the White Southerner to prepare the slaves for freedom. Unlike Lincoln who considered Blacks inherently inferior, and saw shipping them out of America as a solution, Davis saw a day when the races would be equal. Got that? Equal! He was possibly the most progressive thinker of his day in regards to slavery and the conditions of the races.

There is even more to Davis’s character that must be told though. He is the only, American President ever to adopt a Black child into his family! What is that? You ask. In 1864, his wife Varina Davis saw a young slave being beaten by his abusive owner. She stopped her carriage, saved the child and soon he was part of the Davis family. Jim Limber, the boy who became the greatest evidence of Davis’s compassion and love for all Southerners has, of course been whitewashed from history. Frankly a Black slave being adopted by the evil Confederate President does not fit the script politically correct historians want to teach us.

See? See? And here the Union and the Confederacy could have co-existed peacefully, and perhaps one day in the future, rejoined as one country. Instead, we had to have the tyrant Lincoln conquering the southern states and assuring us generations of resentful southerners. If anyone deserves reparations, it's them.

13 posted on 07/02/2005 9:46:00 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Deport them all; let Fox sort them out!)
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To: CHARLITE

Watch out. I'm sure the "confederate sympathizers are traitors" crowd will be along at any time, at which point I shall post my "Aw Jeez not this shit again!" picture.


14 posted on 07/02/2005 9:48:05 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Deport them all; let Fox sort them out!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Uh...too late...

15 posted on 07/02/2005 10:06:59 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (FAKE conservatism is more dangerous than liberalism <<<---at least you know what you're gonna get!)
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To: janetgreen

Speaking as a recent high school graduate, I've never been taught how to put a condom on a banana, or how to appreciate diversity or the most foreign, bizarre cultures. I WAS taught to write a check--in 6th grade. Never ran into that afterwards.

Meanwhile, I was required to take four English classes, three mathematics classes, a government class, an American history class, two foreign language classes, and a few other such academic requirements that I've already forgotten due to lack of interest.

The problem with the public school system isn't a PC curriculum, it's a lack of interest on the part of the students. The Constitutional Convention is boring, and besides, half the students are text messaging the other half.

Take away the students' justification for thinking "I don't need to know that! When will I ever use that information?" and you'll see public education improve.


16 posted on 07/02/2005 10:19:15 PM PDT by Terpfen (Liberals call the Constitution a living document because they enjoy torturing it.)
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To: Terpfen
Take away the students' justification for thinking "I don't need to know that! When will I ever use that information?" and you'll see public education improve.

      OK.  How?  (Honest question.  I would like your viewpoint.)
17 posted on 07/02/2005 10:58:21 PM PDT by Celtman (It's never right to do wrong to do right.)
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To: Terpfen

I was speaking of many California schools, don't know where you went to school. You're right, though, many students just aren't interested in learning. Too many distractions, I guess, and lack of interest by parents in what their kids are learning (or not learning).


18 posted on 07/02/2005 11:46:41 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: janetgreen

I went to the largest high school in Florida: 6000+ students on two sites. The NEA and other groups likely have higher influences in California, but I don't think they've permeated the curriculum to the extent that it's become as bad as most FReepers seem to think it is.


19 posted on 07/03/2005 12:25:57 AM PDT by Terpfen (Liberals call the Constitution a living document because they enjoy torturing it.)
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To: Celtman

I can think of two methods, one of which I went through personally, that would help quite a bit.

One: a priveleges and rewards system. If your kid gets a B on that Pre-Calculus test, he gets to borrow the car for the weekend. Your kid utterly failed a history test? Take away their cell phone.

Two: a part-time job. This is what my parents did with me. 20 hours a week goes a long way to making school a preferable option to menial jobs for the rest of their lives.


20 posted on 07/03/2005 12:30:35 AM PDT by Terpfen (Liberals call the Constitution a living document because they enjoy torturing it.)
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