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To: cajungirl; sittnick; ninenot; saradippity; Siobhan; ArrogantBustard; onyx; Cap'n Crunch; ...
Do you suppose that 33 years and 45 million sliced, diced and hamburgerized innocent babies since Herod Blackmun discovered a hitherto unnoticed right to kill innocent babies in the Constitution or wherever is an indication that social conservatives have been too impatient with the process of ending the baby-killing while there were "more important things" like cutting your taxes to attend to?

Social conservatives are not going anywhere. The message of the last three decades in American politics is that right-to-life is the central issue of American politics. Its advocates are Republicans. Its enemies are Demonrats. AND the "moderates" will be roadkill.

Either RTL wins now or, from a position of controlling the GOP and its primaries and nominating procedures, we keep on the task of preventing "moderates" from nomination to the Senate or White House as Republicans, keep on electing RTL folks, keep on stripping Demonrats of electoral vgotes and Senate seats until RTL DOES WIN. This dogged determination (methodology) is in the ancient DNA of the GOP going back to the abolitionists who created the GOP.

If you want to leave the GOP and the conservative movement, leave. If not, not. Lead, follow or get out of the way on Right to Life than which there is NO MORE IMPORTANT ISSUE until permanently resolved in favor of the babies.

There are still plenty of people who, generally for reasons of ancestry or economic condition, STILL think themselves Democrats while being pro-war, pro-military, pro-life, pro-family, against taxes on people of modest means, pro-gun, pro-property, anti-regulation, pro-SMALL business and a lot of other things ordinarily thought to be Republican.

Every ancestral Muffy and Skipper at yacht club or polo club turned from the GOP into the Demonrat Party by the GOP pro-life and pro-family and pro-gun positions will be replaced by ten new "reagan Democrats" entering the GOP.

Don't be so quick to imagine that social conservatives will abandon the GOP to the soulless Muffies and Skippers. This is not Muffy's great, great granddaddy's GOP and it never will be again.

1,050 posted on 07/01/2005 12:00:33 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk


I think POTUS fully understands the gravity of his nominations. He's going for the gold.


1,057 posted on 07/01/2005 12:08:50 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: BlackElk
The message of the last three decades in American politics is that right-to-life is the central issue of American politics.

I don't agree. It is THE central issue for many here. It is THE central issue for many democrats. But the overwhelming majority would probably be happy to see abortions legal until 12 weeks, and illegal after that. A push for a complete ban would pull support away from us, and a push for eliminating birth control pills will have people running, screaming in the opposite direction.

1,061 posted on 07/01/2005 12:15:27 PM PDT by Dianna
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Overturn of Roe v. Wade will signify the beginning of the end.....THATS WHAT THEY ARE YELLING AT DU


AND They are correct. The end of their left wing crap.


1,064 posted on 07/01/2005 12:17:31 PM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: BlackElk
Don't be so quick to imagine that social conservatives will abandon the GOP to the soulless Muffies and Skippers. This is not Muffy's great, great granddaddy's GOP and it never will be again.

My problem is with the people on here that claim to be social conservatives and want to pick up the ball and go home if they don't like something and then will remark that it doesn't make a difference which party is in charge, etc.

I am a Conservative Republican and I cannot feature saying I would sit out any election -- never going to happen because it is too important to me to keep the ball moving forward. We have got to be heard as grassroots in the primaries and work in those trenches to keep sending more conservatives to Congress. We are making real progress and the naysayers on here are getting on my nerves very rapidly.

More and more democrats are joining the Republicans because the democrats led by liberals Hillary, Teddy, Kerry, and Dean etc. have left them ideologically. We are so close to achieving the goal of overturning RvW, that I cannot feature anyone willing to sacrifice that because they don't agree with a candidate 100% and that is what we have on this site by a number of people.

I didn't vote for Bob Dole in the primary, but I certainly voted for him in the general election and would do it again. I would even hold my nose and vote for McCain in the general election because he is bettter than a RAT, but I sure intend to work as hard as I can to make sure I don't have to do that.

1,072 posted on 07/01/2005 12:31:07 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- J.C. for OK Governor in '06; Allen/Watts in 2008)
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BlackElk! One of my FR heroes. Long time no ping hahaha... I've been working two full time jobs so I have little time for FR.

Hope all is well with you and yours.


1,110 posted on 07/01/2005 1:14:28 PM PDT by Cap'n Crunch
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