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I love the smell of idiocy in the morning.
Posted on 07/01/2005 7:10:20 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
Speaking of bottom feeders, did you see the catfish caught in Thailand recently? It was 3m long and weighed over 400kg. I swear I saw it carrying a Bible in its left fin.
The only group I've seen that consistently cites primary or secondary research is the pro evolution bunch. All we see from the rabid creationists are interminable lists of passages from the Bible, as if the Bible can be held as an authority on science.
I was out on a business trip.
And I don't cry foul, it supports what I stated years ago, that the chemicals that might be necessary have a better chance of forming in the coldness of space than here on Earth. Even the chirality problem gets a head start there. That being said, the chance of abiotic creation of life still remain practically ZERO. And you can't get a simpler sugar than glycolaldehyde.
I hope the trip was fruitful. Welcome back.
Your claim that the chemicals have a better chance of forming in space has not been verified by this discovery. That they have formed in space doesn't mean the probability of forming on earth is less, equal to, or more likely than in space. It simply means that the likelihood of those molecules forming without a non-naturalistic influence is 1. Until we determine the conditions those molecules need to form and the conditions available on the pre-biotic earth, we can not rule out their formation on earth. In fact, each time we find similarly useful molecules in space, it increases the probability of those same molecules appearing on earth, either as an independent formation or as an arrival from space.
Practically zero is not zero.
All the calculations I 've seen that produce probabilities for the initiation of life use unrealistic initial assumptions.
Why the hell are you even on this forum? To make fun of the people who post and get a sense of smug superiority? Why don't you go to a website that is actually about evolution, instead of screwing around here?
No but this does....Interstellar Space A Likely Source of Organic Molecules
At NASA-Ames, Allamandola, Sandford, Bernstein, and Dworkin use cryogenically cooled vacuum chambers and UV lamps in their laboratory to form and irradiate interstellar ice analogs under conditions that simulate those found in dense interstellar clouds. "Basically, we freeze mixed gases onto an extremely cold window and then give the ices the equivalent of a good suntanning," says Allamandola. "After the sample is warmed up, we can remove any remaining organic materials from the sample chamber and study them using a variety of analytical techniques," he continued.
One of these is the technique of two step laser-desorption laser-ionization mass spectrometry. "That's quite a mouthful," says Stanford graduate student Elsila, "but essentially this is an analytical technique that allows us to measure the masses of the various compounds in the organic residue that results from the ice irradiation." "The surprise," says Zare, leader of the Stanford group, "is just how complex the population of organics is. Generally we see a peak at virtually every mass up to and beyond 500 atomic mass units!" This means that the residue must contain hundreds of distinctly different molecules, the vast majority of them being considerably larger than the molecules that made up the original ice.
The probabilities can't be zero because the compounds of life do exist. They exist where life is. Somehow I don't think your numbers are "realistic" at all. We do know at the moment that life comes from life. We have never observed life to arise from non-life solely. Now what did you say about reality?
He likes the company? b_sharp is actually one of the ... err ... sharpest people on this forum.
And you have a problem with him because?
The discovery...was made by detecting faint radio emissions from the molecules.
From 26,000 light-years away???
Opinion stated as fact. There is no way to know what the chances are, our knowledge is too limited.
Try a google search on "light-years definition".
Perhaps you are missing the point. If the fundamental building blocks form in space, they don't need to be formed on earth--the intersteller pizza man can deliver them at the doorstep.
No.
"Why don't you go to a website that is actually about evolution, instead of screwing around here?
I do.
I believe that Andrew and many others here are quite capable of dealing with anything I can hand out.
Finally somebody who admits this.
"They exist where life is."
No life in space that we know of.
"Somehow I don't think your numbers are "realistic" at all."
I actually didn't post any numbers. What I did state is that probability calculations are pretty much meaningless without knowing the conditions and/or when using erroneus initial assumptions.
" We do know at the moment that life comes from life."
True. At the moment. We have yet to meaningfully (for this debate), define what life is.
"We have never observed life to arise from non-life solely.
True. This does not prove it false however, considering the conditions that now exist. Any prebiotic life that developed would pretty much be unable to compete with the living.
"Now what did you say about reality?"
Realistic. In other words, more accurate assumptions.
Gives a 'boost' to the start of the day.
LOL
:-)
And if it takes him more than 30 millennia, it's free.
Now we know why those
white shirt NASA types are so
in a hurry to
get the shuttle up.
We thought it was science, but
now we know it's sweets --
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gold coast slave ship bound for cotton fields
sold in a market down in new orleans
scarred old slaver knows he's doing alright
hear him whip the women, just around midnight
ah, brown sugar how come you taste so good?
ah, brown sugar just like a young girl should
drums beating cold english blood runs hot
lady of the house wonderin' where it's gonna stop
house boy knows that he's doing alright
you should a heard him just around midnight
ah, brown sugar how come you taste so good?
ah, brown sugar just like a young girl should
ah, brown sugar how come you taste so good?
ah, brown sugar just like a young girl should
i bet your mama was a tent show queen
and all her girlfriends were sweet sixteen
i'm no school boy but i know what i like
you should have heard me just around midnight
ah, brown sugar how come you taste so good?
ah, brown sugar just like a young girl should
i said yeah, yeah, yeah, whew
how come you... how come you taste so good?
i said yeah, yeah, yeah, whew . . .
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