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Cold Sugar in Space Provides Clue to the Molecular Origin of Life
National Radio Astronomy Observatory ^ | 20 September 2004 | Dave Finley

Posted on 07/01/2005 7:10:20 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

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To: AndrewC
You present another red herring. The article distinguishes the two mechanisms.

What two mechanisms? Explain to me how a photon does not increase the net heat of a system it impinges on?

141 posted on 07/06/2005 11:49:10 AM PDT by donh (qua)
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To: donh
What two mechanisms? Explain to me how a photon does not increase the net heat of a system it impinges on?

With respect to the planet Mercury, they believe that heat contributes to the surface release of sodium, given the high daytime temperatures, but the photon flux is still likely to play a major role, as on the Moon.

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142 posted on 07/06/2005 12:05:59 PM PDT by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: colorado tanker

"Once the shock has passed, the molecules cool into a cold, thin gas."

This also happens when you startle Muttly...Hmmmmmmm.

Science marches on.


143 posted on 07/06/2005 12:52:13 PM PDT by PoorMuttly (The Fools! Now I have everything I Need! (but a sandwich would be nice)
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To: AndrewC
This isn't Las Vegas. Show me the evidence. And the 40% oxygen must be in the form found on the moon, "sand".

There are, in fact, trace amounts of water, carbon dioxide, and methane in the moon's atmosphere: http://www.iac.es/galeria/mrk/atmo_lun.html, and the controversial viking experiment that was thought to generate CO2 from life processes produced CO2 from sterilized soil samples. Which probably means 1) either there is life on mars, which highly increases the likelihood that it was, in some manner, seeded from space, or 2) CO2 leaks out of sterile soil.

144 posted on 07/06/2005 1:15:05 PM PDT by donh (qua)
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To: AndrewC
photon flux

Well, perhaps you have a more specific reference? A photon is, as far as I remember, a fundamental force particle. How can it have an effect on anything in the macro world other than by raising an electron in an atom to a higher energy level?

145 posted on 07/06/2005 1:21:19 PM PDT by donh (qua)
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To: donh
There are, in fact, trace amounts of water, carbon dioxide, and methane in the moon's atmosphere:

Well, thank you, but I already posted that information in post 106. It is consistent with this information.

Interstellar Space A Likely Source of Organic Molecules

At these temperatures, many of the molecules and atoms that are normally present as gases condense to form ice mantles surrounding the dust particles in the cloud, much as your breath condenses into frost on a cold window. These ices are primarily made up of simple molecules like water (H2O), methanol (CH3OH), carbon dioxide (CO2), carbon monoxide (CO), ammonia (NH3), and methane (CH4).

146 posted on 07/06/2005 1:30:56 PM PDT by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: donh
How can it have an effect on anything in the macro world other than by raising an electron in an atom to a higher energy level?

That is not heat.

147 posted on 07/06/2005 1:34:37 PM PDT by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: AndrewC
Well, thank you, but I already posted that information in post 106. It is consistent with this information.

So,...you already knew there were traces of water in the moons atmosphere, when you sent me off to figure it out. Thanks a heap. I'd like to terminate this conversation at this point, and ask you to kindly stop posting to me.

148 posted on 07/06/2005 1:35:21 PM PDT by donh (qua)
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Gosh amighty, blaming me for your lack of reading. Typical.


149 posted on 07/06/2005 2:05:28 PM PDT by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: AndrewC
What do you think the adjective practically means?

In the full context of what I said, that what you said was utterly meaningless, as usual.

150 posted on 07/07/2005 6:01:53 PM PDT by LogicWings
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To: LogicWings
In the full context of what I said, that what you said was utterly meaningless, as usual.

Now you admit you are a liar. It meant something, you answered, calling it "opinion", which it was, "stated as fact", which was not done. Your name was aptly selected, since your logic is not rational, you wing it.

151 posted on 07/07/2005 11:31:00 PM PDT by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: AndrewC
Now you admit you are a liar

Opinion stated as fact.

It meant something, you answered, calling it "opinion", which it was, "stated as fact", which was not done.

You said: the chance of abiotic creation of life still remain practically ZERO

To which I replied:
"There is no way to know what the chances are, our knowledge is too limited." To which you replied:
It was opinion stated as opinion. What do you think the adjective practically means?

To which I replied in turn:
In the full context of what I said, that what you said was utterly meaningless, as usual.

Which is perfectly true. Your qualification of the statement by the word "practically" means the statement has no meaning, since you don't know what the odds are and can't explain what they are, so you don't know they are "practically zero." Since this is just your opinion then the odds could be very great for the "abiotic creation of life".

You just didn't like getting caught throwing your opinion out there like it meant something logically, which it doesn't.

152 posted on 07/13/2005 12:06:27 PM PDT by LogicWings
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To: LogicWings
Opinion stated as fact.

Ditto.

Your silly game is silly, Mr Wingnut.

153 posted on 07/13/2005 7:39:22 PM PDT by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: gatex
How do they determine absorption ?

By the dark lines where something is missing. These are called absorption lines. This is 150 year old science using modern technology to get better sensitivity.

154 posted on 07/13/2005 7:52:45 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Doctor Stochastic

Amazing from 26,000 light years away. I just checked the Chemical Dictionary which mentioned use on stars. Thanks -- good info.


155 posted on 07/13/2005 10:17:16 PM PDT by gatex (NRA, JPFO and Gun Owners of America)
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To: PatrickHenry
Oh, everybody knows this is unnecessary. I learned in high school in 1964 that Urrey and Miller proved that synthesis of organic molecules on the primitive earth was easy as pie. Purty much all it takes is a few lightnin' strikes and Voila!
156 posted on 07/13/2005 10:25:48 PM PDT by cookcounty (Army Vet, Army Dad.)
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To: AndrewC
Your silly game is silly,

It isn't a game. It is an exercise in thinking, which you might realize someday, if you don't run out of eternity first.

157 posted on 07/17/2005 7:56:35 PM PDT by LogicWings
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To: LogicWings
It is an exercise in thinking, which you might realize someday, if you don't run out of eternity first.

Opinion stated as fact.

158 posted on 07/17/2005 8:05:17 PM PDT by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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