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Scientists To Begin Study Of Ancient Skeleton Over Indian Protest (Kennewick Man - Update)
Union - Tribune/AP ^ | 6-28-2005 | William McCall

Posted on 06/30/2005 4:50:47 PM PDT by blam

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To: muawiyah
"Umatilla, Yakama, Colville and Nez Perce probably ate Kennewick Man's descendants."

This may be an Indian story of the last of these people.

Who Were The Si-Te-Cah?

Professor Stepehn Oppenheimer in his DNA map titled Journey Of Mankind, shows a human entrance 25,000 years ago to the Americas that became isolated for a spell at/around the Meadowcroft site.

41 posted on 06/30/2005 5:54:36 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Yippee!!!!! I've been waiting for this.


42 posted on 06/30/2005 5:59:03 PM PDT by followerofchrist
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To: BlackRain
"It may turn out Native American's stole prehistoric American man's land first!"

It's almost certain, that's why some people are becoming frantic.

Vintage Skulls

43 posted on 06/30/2005 5:59:30 PM PDT by blam
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I know of two indian campsites. We dug a latrine in the middle of one of them (that's how we found it). No bones yet, but if we find them, they're ours. We did find a couple really nice arrowheads. The sites are on private property and the owners would love to let some university dig them up but they are afraid of the government, so they let us poke around the site . . .
44 posted on 06/30/2005 6:03:21 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: blam
Four Northwest Indian tribes had opposed the study, claiming the skeleton could be an ancestor . . .

Um, and it could not. Claiming possession because it could be yours opens up some interesting possibilities. Probably not an option for Anglo-Saxons.

45 posted on 06/30/2005 6:08:08 PM PDT by Oatka
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To: Born to Conserve
Born to Conserve?

How about you start conserving with this site! You know, they don't make 'em like that anymore!

Seriously, these sites can answer some pretty interesting questions. Go easy.

46 posted on 06/30/2005 6:08:15 PM PDT by Coyoteman
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To: Tax-chick

"Essential to whom, for what? Interesting, maybe, but "essential"? Everyone's doing just fine knowing nada about Kennewick Man."

It's essential for science and for America because the vast majority of citizens past and present have been under the impression they "stole" the land, and that we don't belong here and that our voices should be silenced on matters such as immigration because we're "bad white man." What if it turns out white man was exterminated by the Indians? Or another people such as Polynesians? Maybe KM was mixed race?

I don't want my kids to be told they don't belong in America because of the color of their skin. That's what I learned. White guilt, enforced in history class.

This is monumental, regardless of the ethnicity of Kennewick man. We and all of our ancestors have been taught and untruth. It's now time to let all Americans know how truly diverse our nation is.

What is essential, tax chick, is that Americans don't learn the truth about their nation's heritage, because if we do, what do the so-called native Americans have to hold over our head for their government checks and casinos?


47 posted on 06/30/2005 6:10:09 PM PDT by followerofchrist
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To: followerofchrist

Interesting point.

We don't do racial guilt, so I'm left with "potentially interesting research," nonetheless.


48 posted on 06/30/2005 6:11:44 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("I am saying that the government's complicity is dishonest and disingenuous." ~NCSteve)
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To: Tax-chick

"I've got relatives with long, narrow skulls. Maybe he's MY ancestor. Nobody asked ME if they could dissect him!"

I saw a video where a politically conservative pagan group (yeah, they exist) did some rituals over the bones. Kennewick Man's spirit is already home. So it's ok tax chick.


49 posted on 06/30/2005 6:13:12 PM PDT by followerofchrist
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To: rbmillerjr

They already KNOW he's not related to American indian tribes. That's why the Indians finally lost the lawsuits.
The NA repatriation act assumes all old bones are Indian.
We need to kill the NA repatriation act, out of respect for the first inhabitants of America.


50 posted on 06/30/2005 6:15:13 PM PDT by followerofchrist
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To: followerofchrist

LOL!


51 posted on 06/30/2005 6:15:38 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("I am saying that the government's complicity is dishonest and disingenuous." ~NCSteve)
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To: Migraine

"Wow! A small world! Our ancestors were rivals. Maybe I've got a piece of this action, too. My tribe called your tribe the "Skinny-heads". Of course, my tribe was called "The People". Sometimes, we kicked your asses; sometimes, you kicked our asses. MAYBE I've got a piece of this action, too! Let's sioux!"

There's an old Indian legend (transcribed in a southwest museum) about how the Pauite "burned alive in caves the last of their red-headed foe." Then a red-haired "Indian" surfaced from a cave in Nevada, or Arizona. Scientists were afraid of the implications of these and other finds that didn't comply with the legend that Indians were here first. Now that has changed.


52 posted on 06/30/2005 6:18:38 PM PDT by followerofchrist
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To: BlackRain
"The tribes want the skeleton buried and unexamined for some very good reasons.

If it turns out the skeleton is not "Native American" and some other race as suggested; this would undercut the dog-eared argument that "white men stole Indian land".

It may turn out Native American's stole prehistoric American man's land first!"

There's really very little doubt about this. BUT some scientists are now afraid and bowing to the PC crowd. Expect to hear things such as "there's no such thing as race".

This is a Caucasian skeleton, but he's not European. However, if a viking skeleton should be discovered which is not out of the realm of possibility, as it stands now, some Indian tribes could be successful in claiming the remains. I was unaware that McCain was involved in such a bill.
53 posted on 06/30/2005 6:18:51 PM PDT by Andy'smom
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To: blam

"Yup. John McCain has introduced a bill that will give all human skeletons found in the US to the Indians = Zero study."

We already have that law, the native American repatriation Act. McCain knows that Act is going to be changed, so he's trying to head it off. Is he angling for Indian gaming money? What a traitor. Manchurian candidate in action.


54 posted on 06/30/2005 6:20:48 PM PDT by followerofchrist
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To: muawiyah

KM had a clovis spear point embedded in him. I think the Indians invaded and wiped out these other people because they were xenophobic.


55 posted on 06/30/2005 6:23:01 PM PDT by followerofchrist
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To: Andy'smom
This is a Caucasian skeleton, but he's not European.

Ainu. See previous threads. From southeast Asia, Indonesia originally. Later Native Americans came from eastern Asia, Siberia or thereabouts.

56 posted on 06/30/2005 6:23:35 PM PDT by Coyoteman
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To: Born to Conserve
" The sites are on private property and the owners would love to let some university dig them up but they are afraid of the government, so they let us poke around the site . . ."

I would take FReeper Coyoteman's advise. He's a professional archaeologist and has recently published a book on the Coastal Indians of California.

57 posted on 06/30/2005 6:23:50 PM PDT by blam
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To: Tax-chick

One of the...ahem...bones of contention vis-a-vis Kennewick Man is that his skeletal proportions suggest he is some race other than Asian/American Indian. Some scientists speculate that he might be CAUCASIAN.

As to why that is important, if scientists can prove that a caucasian man was here prior to the generally-agreed upon arrival of the ancestors of American Indians, it has HUGE political implications. Most of which would bad for the tribes.

Which is why they fought to keep the skeleton unstudied.

After all, how can American Indians continue to gin up the grievance machine with cries of "we were here first!" if someone can prove that someone else was here before they were?


58 posted on 06/30/2005 6:25:44 PM PDT by Wombat101 (Sanitized for YOUR protection...)
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To: Born to Conserve

There are some "Indian" sites around here that don't coincide with the culture of any Indian tribe. Maybe I'll investigate.


59 posted on 06/30/2005 6:26:28 PM PDT by followerofchrist
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To: Tax-chick

I believe that the word "essential" is used here in the context of the study of the skeleton. The baseline infomation is essential to any further study of the bones.


60 posted on 06/30/2005 6:28:05 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopeckne is walking around free)
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