Posted on 06/30/2005 8:58:59 AM PDT by Skylab
Census lists fastest-growing cities
Thursday, June 30, 2005; Posted: 10:18 a.m. EDT (14:18 GMT)
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Consider a move to Gilbert, Arizona, if you're looking to trade in that two-bedroom home for four bedrooms and a pool in the back yard.
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"People come here because there are good jobs, it's pretty affordable and it offers lots for the families, too," she said.
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The numbers show new residents flocking to midsize cities in Florida, Arizona, Nevada and California. Hurt by skyrocketing housing prices, people are leaving San Francisco, Boston and other large cities in droves.
San Francisco and Boston found themselves among the cities losing the most people between April 2000 and July 2004. Boston, for example, shed more than 19,000 people, or 3.4 percent of its population, while San Francisco lost 32,000, or 4.2 percent.
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I think San Francisco's growth problem is related to the significant number of its residents who are unwilling to, or are incapable of, normal reproduction.
Joliet has an excellent pre-Pro Sports school (JC) but that is it. There are plenty of fine schools in Chicago and my children recieved good educations there. Joliet's schools cannot compare to Chicago's best they aren't even close. You should not assume that ALL of the schools are like the gang-ridden, poverty overwhelmed ghetto schools. There are plenty of others. Much of the NW side is little different than the suburbs except having more choices. Safe, clean, quite, not terribly expensive housing.
People may find themselves in Joliet but almost no one starts with the idea of going there to live. Settling is not a high recommendation. Personally I prefer to live in an area with high culture like Chicago. Those too terrified by the minorities are not greatly missed.
But but but if everyone leaves, who's gonna pay for my Gubmint cheese?
"And no eminent domain in Manhattan. Safest real estate value in the nation"
Well, I hear Heap Big Chief Jesse Ward Jackson-Churchill may still wantum reparations wampum....
You are absolutely right. And this "mega-city" versus everyone else is MOST apparent in the red/blue 2000 map. 2004 map shows the : "(Noted author Alvin Toffler calls this sort of seismic restructuring a) "Power Shift."
Census Bureau counts foreigners (illegals and legal) which has led to CA having six two many Congressional seats and a lot of States losing that shouldn't have because we did grow.
There is a house amendment submitted by a Rep from MI and co-sponsored by 23 Congressman including four from my State of Oklahoma which will change the word in the Constitution to "citizen" for purpose of counting people for redistricting.
When you read census, member it counts foreigners (legal and illegal) as well.
"Gilbert Arizona is looking better and better."
Publius...I currently live in Gilbert and have for the last nine years. We bought one home in 1996, lived there eight years, sold it and built a new home in Gilbert last year. We've been in the new home 15 months and based on sales on our street our home has appreciated +$200K in just those 15 months. It's crazy here. We can't afford to buy our own home now at its current market value.
Gilbert is a great place to live but is feeling all of the effects of rapid growth: traffic congestion, lack of infrastructure keeping pace with population, etc. A lot of Gilbert is still agricultural open space - our subdivision is bounded on two sides by corn fields!
And yes, there are more and more refugees coming here from Kalifornistan. Unfortunately from what I can tell they're primarily economic refugees but tend to vote for DemoNcrat from...how else do we explain Governor bull-dyke and McCain?
"When you say cities, make a distinction between San Francisco and well Jacksonville.
There are plenty of cities in this country that are not liberal hellholes, I live in one."
Well, it's not easy putting up with the Liberal idiots who live in my hometown of San Francisco, however, I think you go a bit far with the "Liberal Hellhole" comments. Time can be spent enjoying the views of the ocean, the picturesque areas of the city such as the Marina and it's view of the Bridge and the hills, Pacific Heights and surrounds that provide breathtaking vistas of the lit up skyline. Great neigborhoods like West Portal, Noe Valley, Jordan Park, Union Street etc provide great shops and restaurants within walking distance. A 2 - 3 hour ride can bring you to the California Wine Country, Lake Tahoe for sking or summer activities, or many other recreational facilities. If you want to "stay in town" there are plenty of museums, lakes, tea gardens and such to enjoy in Golden Gate Park. You can go to the Opera, the Symphony, Broadway plays or take in a baseball game at SBC Park. The hills provide great venues for bike riding, walking & hiking.
Not bad for a Hellhole!!!!
How times have changed. Now we elect them to Congress so we can watch them lose there.
But housing prices haven't gone down, as far as I know. I live in the exurbs of Boston, and housing prices continue to rise here. I hear people say that they're moving further away from the city to find affordable housing.
That may explain the drop in Boston's population, but the state as a whole is losing population. Outside of Boston, every other city in Massachusetts appears to be dying.
We're tempted to move, but I dunno. I like the four seasons and the diverse scenery within a short drive: oceans, lakes, moutains, etc. We've thought of Florida, NC, Virginia, Arizona and Texas.
Wow! I'd be tempted to cash that one in. I like free money.
Los Angeles and New York were #1 and #2 for real growth and they aren't much straighter or more conservative than the big losers.
Boston and San Francisco both have very high housing costs, both in the cities and the metropolitan areas. That and San Francisco's high tech bust account for much of the loss in the cities.
Robert Lang, the demographer quoted in the article, seems to have a strange take on things: "This is not shaping up to be a good decade for older cities in the United States in contrast to the 90s," said Lang. "This performance probably doesn't rival the 70s, which stand out as the worst decade, but looks to be underperforming even the 80s."
Looking back over the last half-century or so, things aren't so bad for big cities today. I'm not sure that for the older cities of the Northeast and Midwest the Eighties or the present were worse than the Fifties or Sixties. Even if that's true demographically, long-run problems were apparent in the Fifties and Sixties that weren't so serious in the Eighties or today.
It would be a mistake to explicitly turn US politics into a question of the big cities vs. the rest of us. People who live closer to the cities than to the "rest" of the country will come to feel themselves to be more in the cultural and political orbit of the cities than of rural areas.
It's a lot like ethnic politics. People of one ethnicity or another may tend to vote for this or that party, but making elections a battle of ethnic groups hurts the country and loses votes for whoever makes it the issue.
So...you must listen to Quinn in the morning?
Wish he could get back his live streaming...I have to wait until after work and listen to the daily archive...EVERY day. My favorite talk show on radio. (If he could only keep Rose out of the broadcast studio and in the programming room...)
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LOL! I was going to write almost word for word what you wrote. People always flee socialism (regardless of their ideology).
Hopefully, the people leave Boston, MA... are the non-liberals.. otherwise... AZ will look like Nashua, NH... loaded with MA liberals.
Aquinasfan...the downside to life in Gilbert is that the property taxes are climbing along with the market values. The city has to pay for all of that new infrastructure it needs (roads, police, fire, schools, etc). Also, the downside to "flipping" your home and selling to pull the appreciation out is that you still have to live somewhere and all the other homes available to buy have also gone up astronomically in price!
I like Quinn-listen to him often.
Are you from Akron??
That happened to us. It's even more painful when you're homeschooling and paying for new schools.
Also, the downside to "flipping" your home and selling to pull the appreciation out is that you still have to live somewhere and all the other homes available to buy have also gone up astronomically in price!
Yeah, you'd have to move far away, which is the idea that we're toying with. A $500k home here in the Boston exurbs would be worth about $200k in Texas. An $800k home ten miles west of Boston would be worth $150k in Texas.
"It's even more painful when you're homeschooling and paying for new schools."
We experienced the same situation having home schooled our kids for twelve years.
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