Posted on 06/30/2005 6:59:19 AM PDT by jla
"I mean, Pence meant it. At least I think so, and I'm pretty cynical. He warned against big government Republicanism and against a GOP that thought the federal government was the solution to every social ill."
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I think Pence is fantastic, but when was the last time a Rep was elected Prez? tough odds one must admit. It is rare enough for a sitting Senator to get the job (JFK the only one last century)
Not if "conservatives" have an attitude like that!!
Again with the lack of facts. Tweren't me that posted it.
It was no worse than Bush teaming up with Teddy Kennedy to push unconstitutional education bills.
Also, being one that proclaims "Free Mojo" on your homepage, I really don't think you're qualified to comment on the mental state of other Freepers.
Isn't "Free Mojo" some sort of a cultist cry?
Mojo was a jackass freeper from the past who keeps trying to sneak back onto FR. His obsession is freaky.
The sad truth is that a mere 16 years after an articulate Conservative Republican left office, there is almost no one on Capitol Hill who can make out a true case for much of anything. The level of political debate in America has never been lower at any time in our history. The mere fact that there is an angry debate between those calling themselves "Libertarians" and those calling themselves "Conservatives," involves so many flawed conceptions, that I will not even try to sort them out in detail.
Just a few basics. The Founding Fathers, having accomplished the most Conservative Revolution in History--a Revolution against the experience of having a remote Government too deeply in their affairs--were to a man--whatever their differences--Libertarians as well as Conservatives in the modern sense. Sure, some of them had different priorities. Some of them were non-denominational in their religious outlook; some more concerned with temporal, some spiritual things. But to a man they did not want a remote Government involved in local moral or police issues.
To a man, they never considered the Federal Government fit or morally entitled to assume the role of an individual problem solver. To a man, they understood that the free society they were determined to preserve, depended upon the members of that society; that a free society was not something you could impose on others; nor, frankly, something you had any right to try to impose on others--although many of them hoped that our example might, indeed, be a beacon for other peoples.
But the confused gobblings of those inside the Beltway, today, do not just relate to a confusion as to the roles of man and Government, in a free society. They relate to a confused understanding of the nature of man; to an absolute inability to understand, what works and does not work in the human experience. They prattle on about grandiose schemes that have no chance, whatsoever, of doing more good than harm. Ron Paul and Mike Pence are both good men. But the future of the Republican Party depends upon a reawakening from the grass roots, not simply a choice of a single spokesman.
Americans, sabotaged in their schools by leftist idealogues, who have bought every shibboleth of the Far Left, as a mantra for a "just society'; misled by a media, simply parroting the same nonsense taught in school; lulled away from reflective analysis of what is even within the ken of every individual with an I.Q. over 96, by a plethora of amusing distractions; Americans have lost the tools to wake themselves up. But we have to wake them up, or this whole noble quest is going to be an almost overlooked or forgotten footnote in the pages of a history to be written by those who will pick up the pieces--those who will rule the survivors of the hapless folk, who have lost their country.
William Flax
Ron Paul is one of the few--the very few--men in Washington, who gives rational reasons for every stand he takes; one of the very few men in public life, who appeals to reason not slogans and shibboleths. When you suggest that his supporters are a cult, you allow rhetoric to stultify your own reasoning ability.
Ron Paul is no more to be put down, because on one issue he appears with "Liberals," who happen to agree with him on that issue, than is George Bush to be put down, because he has repeatedly appeared together with Tony Blair, Bill Clinton's Fabian Socialist counterpart from great Britain. Dennis Kucinich may be a bit of a whack job, I will grant you. Tony Blair is something very much more sinister, if your purpose is to preserve the free Society won a Yorktown.
And who but a "cultist," would even try to justify the votes of the majority of our party--the very embarrassing votes by a majority of our party--on the Medicare Prescription Drug Program, on the "No Child Left Behind," imposition of more Bureaucracy on educational systems, already terribly compromised by a lack of the most basic common sense; or the silence of so many in our party at the laughable idea that you can impose Freedom on others, by forcing them to adopt your political norms?
Ron Paul is a reasoning man. You may disagree with him on this or that issue; but you are not likely to find his better among any of those whom you would suggest are outside what you imagine to be a "Cult."
William Flax
True, my bad. I apologize for that. However, I still think Ron Paul is a nut for associating with kuchinich.
Big issues for me.
So you agree with Ron Paul and his leftist buddies that Gitmo should be shut down and our soldiers brought home?
FYI: Mojo is god.
So you agree with Ron Paul that Gitmo should be shut down and our soldiers brought home?
"Ron Paul and Mike Pence are both good men. But the future of the Republican Party depends upon a reawakening from the grass roots, not simply a choice of a single spokesman. "
perfectly said
"Americans, sabotaged in their schools by leftist idealogues, who have bought every shibboleth of the Far Left, as a mantra for a "just society'; misled by a media, simply parroting the same nonsense taught in school; lulled away from reflective analysis of what is even within the ken of every individual with an I.Q. over 96, by a plethora of amusing distractions; Americans have lost the tools to wake themselves up. But we have to wake them up, or this whole noble quest is going to be an almost overlooked or forgotten footnote in the pages of a history to be written by those who will pick up the pieces--those who will rule the survivors of the hapless folk, who have lost their country. "
Perfect
What, by the way, has that got to do with anything I posted? Do you impose a litmus test of 100% agreement before you will support someone? That really sounds "cultish."
I think we need an exit strategy in Iraq, as I have posted repeatedly at my web site. I think we should hold on to our base in Cuba. I think the Administration has made some colossal mistakes in the War on Terror, but that does not mean that I favor dropping the War on Terror--far from it. (See War--2001.)
William Flax
So, both are big Governemnt and not what this country was founded on either way. A lot of the Christian "Conservatives" I see around here aren't very conservative when it comes to the feds sticking their big snout into private folks' business.
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