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Russia moves closer to election law changes [More, "to further tighten the Kremlin's grip."]
Reuters ^ | 29JUN05 | Reuters

Posted on 06/29/2005 10:57:47 PM PDT by familyop

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia's parliament on Wednesday approved on second reading a raft of amendments to election rules, which critics say would further tighten the Kremlin's grip on power if implemented. If introduced, the changes, proposed by President Vladimir Putin, would ban political parties merging into blocs to stand in elections and scrap the "against all" option, used as a protest vote, on ballot papers in regional polls.

Putin has been accused by opponents and some Western governments of endangering democracy through sweeping political reforms he said were needed after last year's deadly Beslan school siege carried out by Chechen rebels. "From June 29 any elections held in Russia can only be called elections in quotation marks," said opposition deputy Vladimir Ryzhkov. "Election law has been rewritten to suit the needs of the authorities," he said.

The changes to the election law follow Putin's abolition of gubernatorial elections to make regional leaders Kremlin appointees instead.

New rules on elections to the State Duma lower house of parliament and on forming political parties -- which effectively bar small parties and independent candidates from the chamber -- have already been passed by legislators.

Putin says reform is needed to create more effective instruments for governing his sprawling country which stretches across 11 time zones.

The latest amendments to the election law must pass a third reading before being sent for approval to the Federation Council upper house of parliament, after which Putin must sign them into law.

The Kremlin-controlled United Russia party holds two thirds of seats in the Duma, enough to pass legislation single-handedly.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: fascism; kremlin; national; nationalism; power; putin; rodina; russia; socialism
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To: jb6

==This is typical scare mongering and russophobia.

Russia and China's anti-American posture is becoming increasingly difficult to defend, don't you think?:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1434721/posts


21 posted on 07/02/2005 1:17:41 PM PDT by TheBigPicture
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To: Destro

"The Kremlin-controlled United Russia party holds two thirds of seats in the Duma, enough to pass legislation single-handedly."

I am not aware of any efforts in the US to ban third parties or third pary candidates. The vast majority of third party candidates lose, but they are not prevented from running. Putin's Unity party is attempting to ban third parties altogether.


22 posted on 07/02/2005 1:22:03 PM PDT by TheBigPicture
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To: jb6

jb6 writes "Typical Lie. The other parties have and equal chance"

(From article) "If introduced, the changes, proposed by President Vladimir Putin, would ban political parties merging into blocs to stand in elections..."

Maybe I'm missing something, but it certainly sounds like Putin is trying to ban third parties to me.


23 posted on 07/02/2005 1:26:44 PM PDT by TheBigPicture
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To: TheBigPicture

No he's banning parties unifying into blocks so that when you vote say democrat the socialists and greens also get your vote automatically. We have the exact same system.


24 posted on 07/02/2005 2:14:25 PM PDT by jb6 ( Free Haghai Sophia! Crusade!)
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To: familyop
New rules on elections to the State Duma lower house of parliament and on forming political parties -- which effectively bar small parties and independent candidates from the chamber -- have already been passed by legislators.

Got the same thing in Poland.

25 posted on 07/02/2005 2:15:26 PM PDT by A. Pole (John Maynard Keynes: "In the long run we are all dead.")
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To: Destro
Sounds like the American system - when was the last time we had a thrid party candidate win the presidency?

Or how many third party Congressmen are there? Five?

In proportional voting system the percentage tresholds are almost necessary.

26 posted on 07/02/2005 2:19:44 PM PDT by A. Pole (John Maynard Keynes: "In the long run we are all dead.")
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To: jb6

"No he's banning parties unifying into blocks so that when you vote say democrat the socialists and greens also get your vote automatically. We have the exact same system."

Please explain how we have the "exact same system."


27 posted on 07/02/2005 2:46:02 PM PDT by TheBigPicture
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To: A. Pole

==Got the same thing in Poland.

Poland bans small parties and independent candidates as well?


28 posted on 07/02/2005 2:49:08 PM PDT by TheBigPicture
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To: A. Pole

"Or how many third party Congressmen are there? Five?"

The point is, we have them. This is what they are trying to ban in Russia, and, if I understand your last post correctly, they have already done this in Poland.


29 posted on 07/02/2005 2:52:05 PM PDT by TheBigPicture
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To: TheBigPicture
Poland bans small parties and independent candidates as well?

To get into Sejm (Seym - Polish Diet or Parliament) you must have at least a certain percentage of the votes.

The purpose is to eliminate smaller parties. In proportional system of voting it is needed in order to prevent chaos and frequent changes of government. Similar tresholds are in Italy, Germany and other countries.

In countries with majority voting (USA, UK) even the third parties (not speaking about the forth of fifth) have great difficulty to enter the parlament. Fixed minorities are not represented at all unless they are segregated geografically (like Welsh in UK or blacks in some US districts). With majority system of voting you do not need tresholds to eliminate smaller parties.

30 posted on 07/02/2005 3:08:47 PM PDT by A. Pole (John Maynard Keynes: "In the long run we are all dead.")
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To: TheBigPicture
The point is, we have them.

Very few. For practical purposes the smaller parties have less chance in majoritarian system (US, UK etc) than in proportional systems with the treshold.

31 posted on 07/02/2005 3:10:39 PM PDT by A. Pole (John Maynard Keynes: "In the long run we are all dead.")
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To: TheBigPicture
Please explain how we have the "exact same system."

It means that Greens/Reform etc cannot run as a block . They either become one party or run separate.

32 posted on 07/02/2005 3:12:35 PM PDT by A. Pole (John Maynard Keynes: "In the long run we are all dead.")
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To: A. Pole
"It means that Greens/Reform etc cannot run as a block . They either become one party or run separate."

But if I understand what's happening in Russia correctly, they wont even be allowed to run separately. Is that correct?
33 posted on 07/02/2005 3:26:09 PM PDT by TheBigPicture
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To: TheBigPicture
But if I understand what's happening in Russia correctly, they wont even be allowed to run separately. Is that correct?

No, if they do not get above the treshold they will not get any seats.

34 posted on 07/02/2005 3:31:07 PM PDT by A. Pole (John Maynard Keynes: "In the long run we are all dead.")
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To: TheBigPicture
But if I understand what's happening in Russia correctly, they wont even be allowed to run separately. Is that correct?

You see, the sleight of hand is word "effectively" in the deceptive phrase: "which effectively bar small parties".

35 posted on 07/02/2005 3:35:42 PM PDT by A. Pole (John Maynard Keynes: "In the long run we are all dead.")
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To: A. Pole

"No, if they do not get above the treshold they will not get any seats."

What is the "threshhold" one must meet before qualifying for a seat?


36 posted on 07/02/2005 3:42:11 PM PDT by TheBigPicture
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To: TheBigPicture
What is the "threshhold" one must meet before qualifying for a seat?

I do not know the details of this plan. In Poland, the party has to have at least 5% and parties with the highest percentages get extra seats.

Otherwise in proportional system you get miriad of parties and very unstable governments. (It used to be so in Italy)

37 posted on 07/02/2005 3:45:14 PM PDT by A. Pole (John Maynard Keynes: "In the long run we are all dead.")
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To: A. Pole

"Otherwise in proportional system you get miriad of parties and very unstable governments."

But was that really a problem in Russia?


38 posted on 07/02/2005 3:47:18 PM PDT by TheBigPicture
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To: A. Pole

Also, do you think the Kremlin is trying to tighten its grip (as the subtitle of this post implies)? Or do you think this is an innocent move on the part of Putin/Unity?


39 posted on 07/02/2005 3:51:01 PM PDT by TheBigPicture
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To: TheBigPicture
But was that really a problem in Russia?

Yes. Russia was in chaos worse that France before founding of the Fifth Republic by Charles de Gaulle.

40 posted on 07/02/2005 4:06:21 PM PDT by A. Pole (John Maynard Keynes: "In the long run we are all dead.")
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