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China Secretly Constructing an Aircraft Carrier(54planes,13choppers,deployment in 2008)
Chosun Ilbo ^ | 06/30/05 | Song Ui-dal

Posted on 06/29/2005 5:33:55 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

/begin my translation

China Secretly Constructing an Aircraft Carrier

Hong Kong Economic Daily(Jing-ji-ri-bao) reports
2005/06/30

China recently completed the final design for an Chinese aircraft carrier, and start in early August to construct it in secret at Jiang-nan Shipyard, Zhang-xing Island near Shanghai, reported the June 29th issue of Hong Kong Economic Daily(Jing-ji-ri-bao,) quoting (Chinese) high-level military sources.

Costing 3 billion yuan(390 million dollars), which takes up 3% of Chinese military budget, this carrier, due to be completed next year if everything goes well, has top speed 30 knots per hour and  its maximal displacement is 78,000 ton. It is equipped with Russian engines and radars.

It will carry 54 fighter planes and 13 anti-submarine helicopters, and the introduction of latest Russian fighters(Su-33) is also in the works. When it would be in service in 2008, it is expected to boost Chinese naval strength.

The paper reports, "Zhang Guang-qin, vice minister of the Commission of Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense, denied the rumor that a carrier is under construction. However, he emphasized  it is the sacred duty of the Chinese navy to safeguard the country's sovereignty of territorial waters. It is in this context which they go for the construction of the carrier."

(Song Ui-dal, reporting from Hong Kong)

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2008; aircraft; armsbuildup; carrier; chicoms; china; chinesemilitary
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To: ProudVet77
I would also note for the record, that development production is not the same as procurement production. They are only building the test craft. And those tests are going to be great fun for me.
101 posted on 06/29/2005 7:01:11 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Non-Sequitur

I actually served on the Midway (as an AO2) and we were rated at 80 aircraft, but never operated that many as far as I recall.

If I remember correctly, that rating referred to the number of aircraft that could actually be carried (overhead and deck storage, crated, etc), but not necessarily in service.

I think the roster ran something like this:

F-14 (14)
A-6 (24)
A-7 (12)
S-3 (5)
EA-6 (4)
E-2 (3)
SH-53 (5)

Total of 65 aircraft. That would often change depending on mission or rotation of squadrons. For example, I can recall one cruise without A-7's at all, and another where we ferried a Marine squadron (AV-8B's) to Diego Garcia from Cavite.


103 posted on 06/29/2005 7:05:15 PM PDT by Wombat101 (Sanitized for YOUR protection...)
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To: Pukin Dog

No problem, I fully understand the wording.
Enjoy the tests. To be honest I have no dog in the fight.
The only advantage to killing off this bird would be to keep stealth a US only property. But we would really have some very angry partners and allies if we did that. Australia is betting the farm on the JSF.


104 posted on 06/29/2005 7:05:32 PM PDT by ProudVet77 (NASCAR - Because it's the way Americans drive.)
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To: kerryusama04

Thanks but i kinda knew that. I served on Midway, Big E and Ike in my day.


105 posted on 06/29/2005 7:06:55 PM PDT by Wombat101 (Sanitized for YOUR protection...)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
This Chinese carrier should be named for the one individual that made it all possible...

The BILL CLIN TON

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106 posted on 06/29/2005 7:08:35 PM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: jveritas
No, it won't be as good as ours. Ask me again in 50 years, and I'll probably have a different answer, although I 'll be doing very good to be around in 50 years to answer.

China has leapfrogged one generation of technology to get where they are today. They are in the space race. They are improving ICBMs. They are vastly increasing their wealth.

With their population, they will undoubted surpass us as the biggest economic power in the world within 40 years or so.

That does not mean that they will be more powerful than us in a military or diplomatic sense, but it's foolish to think that they'll not be a serious rival. They could surpass us in every sense if we're not careful.

107 posted on 06/29/2005 7:09:40 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Taxman

Thanks for the info. I assume they want the wind in their face when doing a launch but when they do a recovery, and since they land in the same direction on the carrier as a takeoff, do they want the same wind conditions for both?


108 posted on 06/29/2005 7:10:50 PM PDT by microgood
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

Yes, with more men like him, there will be fewer men like him....


109 posted on 06/29/2005 7:11:52 PM PDT by Donald Meaker (You don't drive a car looking through the rear view mirror, but you do practic politics that way.)
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To: Quix

Depends. say 85 to 90, depending on which one and the type of aircraft.

Also keep in mind that US carriers are often, but not always nuclear, for added space for fuel.


110 posted on 06/29/2005 7:13:10 PM PDT by Donald Meaker (You don't drive a car looking through the rear view mirror, but you do practic politics that way.)
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To: Dog Gone
With their population, they will undoubted surpass us as the biggest economic power in the world within 40 years or so.

95% of the Chinese population have standards of living that is much lower than "our poor" standards of living (12% of Americans are poor). No matter how many big projects Communist China accomplish and no matter how much money they accumulate, it will crumble at the end. First because 95% of its people live in extreme poverty and second because no totalitarian communist regime can ever succeed.

111 posted on 06/29/2005 7:20:36 PM PDT by jveritas (The Left cannot win a national election ever again.)
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To: All

I forget who posted the question, but in regards to Japan and nuclear armed ships, the issue was not originally nuclear weapons per se. the issue revolved around the grounding of the Enterprise on a sand bar on the approaches to Tokyo Bay c. 1985. The debate and concern then was what would happen if the bottom were torn out of nuclear-powered warship. It naturally then degenrated into a "worst-case" scenario about a loose nuc.

As of 1987, no American surface ships (officially) carry nuclear weapons.


112 posted on 06/29/2005 7:23:18 PM PDT by Wombat101 (Sanitized for YOUR protection...)
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To: microgood

For recovery, it is preferable to have the WOD down the angle, bow to stern. Easy to do if there is a lot of natural wind; more difficult if the ship has to "make wind."

For launch, WOD straight down the deck is preferred.


113 posted on 06/29/2005 7:25:04 PM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: Wombat101

Sorry, that was supposed to be "as of 1991 no American surface ships officially carry nuc weapons". Can;t for the life of me figure out why I remembered 1987. Probably a brain fart. My apologies.


114 posted on 06/29/2005 7:26:06 PM PDT by Wombat101 (Sanitized for YOUR protection...)
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To: meatloaf

"I'm sure they'll have plenty of replacements for "retired" deck crewmen. I wouldn't be surprised if they have a medical team standing by to harvest organs."

I dunno...the organs are liable to be pretty crispy.


115 posted on 06/29/2005 7:28:54 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse
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To: Wombat101

Actually that "claim" goes back at least to my day in the early 70s. We never officially carried any nuclear weapons. Even the one the marines came out and guarded at the pier while it was loaded ;)


116 posted on 06/29/2005 7:31:29 PM PDT by ProudVet77 (NASCAR - Because it's the way Americans drive.)
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To: ProudVet77

Thanks for the education, man. I knew we gave the japanese Aegis and right before I got out in late 95 we sold two older frigates to Taiwan. in fact, I was in "C" school with a Taiwanese LT.


117 posted on 06/29/2005 7:31:44 PM PDT by kerryusama04 (God Bless.)
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To: Wombat101

the posting about the Nimitz class was for all. you just happened to be the random "reply" I hit. I hope you took no offense?


118 posted on 06/29/2005 7:33:11 PM PDT by kerryusama04 (God Bless.)
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To: Donald Meaker

And our Navy pilots are exceedingly better trained and more skilled. Not sure how long we'll be able to say that if a real oil crisis occurs. But I hope it's always true.


119 posted on 06/29/2005 7:33:36 PM PDT by Quix (LOVE NEVER FAILS.)
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To: jveritas
I don't know if it's 95%, but the Chinese GDP is gaining on us bigtime. They are removing huge numbers from the peasant level to something somewhere below what we'd consider middle class and they are creating a large upper class.

They are not communist and we'd better wake up to that fact. They are fascist and it's a small political difference but a huge economic difference.

120 posted on 06/29/2005 7:34:29 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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