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To: Dat Mon

So much for philosophy....lets talk reality.
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yea, thats why i support CAFTA because it is at least a step in the right direction. In theory, private citizens should be able to trade with private citizens from other countries without government interference. As you state, this is not a reality because government gives itself the power to block it.

For example, if I bring in some sugar to sell and save American consumers mucho dinero the US government will throw me in jail for smuggling.

These trade agreements can be as one-sided as they like. They are not hurting anyone but themselves. By protecting their workers, they are in fact going to end up hurting their workers and their economy.

Its like the argument that airbus is getting more subsidies than Boeing. Well, who is getting their money stolen to fund airbus? Productive job creating Europeans! It's like Reagan said:

"Believe me, you cannot create a desert, hand a person a cup of water, and call that compassion. You cannot pour billions of dollars into make-work jobs while destroying the economy that supports them and call that opportunity. And you cannot build up years of dependence on government and dare call that hope."

So let the Europeans destroy their economies and jobs to protect one industry (which won't even be protected in the long run cuz it'll get lazy and fat)

So, if one country is shooting itself in the foot to protect its workers or industries, I don't see why we should follow suit.

I realize what is happening isn't the uptopia that I may seem like I was describing, but at least its a step in that direction.


46 posted on 06/29/2005 11:45:57 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/scotuspropertythieving.htm)
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To: traviskicks
YOU SAID..."I realize what is happening isn't the uptopia that I may seem like I was describing, but at least its a step in that direction."

When you give the government control over the free market...which includes the free labor market, for a philosophically desirable purpose...you are getting in bed with a whore and hoping you will find true love...and not get a disease along the way.

Think about the unintended consequences of these agreements....because of the fact that the government already has a massive social welfare and entitlement system IN PLACE NOW.

Everything you hate will come about...on a bigger scale...including unions and welfare programs.

It is a paradox I admit...but its reality Im afraid.
54 posted on 06/29/2005 11:55:07 AM PDT by Dat Mon (will work for clever tagline)
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To: traviskicks

Private citizens have had nothing to do with this agreement. It is solely the venue of transnational corporations and different NGOs. The public citizen has not been invited to participate. The Senate will not even take a roll call vote beause they do not want the private citizen to know how they are voting.

The 2 senators from California have promised to come out with a statement on CAFTA, but not until AFTER it is voted on. They will not divulge to me a private citizena and constitutent, their position at this time.

Private citizens will not be able to trade once the CAFTA is in place. Only organization's which have set up public/private agreements with the federal government will, and they will be required to pay for social programs in these countries for the privilege.


55 posted on 06/29/2005 11:58:17 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: traviskicks

Europe based the EU on a socialist utopian idea that combines economic integration and supranational authority that will result in general peace

Sound familiar?

They also believe that a Europe without continental "trade barriers" would do better than a Europe fragmented into smaller national markets. Their "framework" would eliminate sovereignty and destroy any sense of national identity.

Sound familiar?

CAFTA is the product of a socialist/utopian/corporatism. It is being implemented in the same "framework" (in other words supranataional socialist government) as the EU.

Now the European people got a chance to vote on the EU constitution. Have the American people had a chance to vote on CAFTA? Have they had a chance to participate in the debate? If you have read the MSM articles on CAFTA, OUR GOVERNMENT only cares what the "stakeholders" and transnational corporations want. They do not care about individual citizens, and no, individual citizens will not be allowed to trade freely with CAFTA countries.


60 posted on 06/29/2005 12:07:07 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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