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What a bunch of sissies. And I thought the Army became far too soft when it changed from running in boots during PT to running in sneakers. Many of these new patriots-to-be really need a whooping to be shaped into form. Definitively not my dad's nor my Army.
1 posted on 06/28/2005 6:03:43 AM PDT by cll
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And what nerve has AP calling this "abuse". What do they think boot camp is, a yoga camp?

This shows that there's a new definition for the word "abuse", which now refers to anything not AAA five-star rated.


2 posted on 06/28/2005 6:05:51 AM PDT by cll
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Alternative Headline "Abusive Army Drill Instructors Convicted"

I guess that's not interesting enough.


3 posted on 06/28/2005 6:06:27 AM PDT by ruiner
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that showed the recruits being poked, grabbed and berated

What the hack do they think is going to happen in combat? We have a pussyfied army.

4 posted on 06/28/2005 6:06:29 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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Pvt. Adam Roster says he was hit in the back and slammed into a wall locker.

Son, that's nothing compared to what the Germans/ Japs/Russkies/Chinese/Iraqis/Terrorists will do to you. Where do we find kids to play football with all these p_ss_es around?

5 posted on 06/28/2005 6:08:35 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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It sounds like A-5-1 at Fort Jackson in 1965. Today such things are not allowed but for some reason the Army just keeps on keeping on.


6 posted on 06/28/2005 6:08:46 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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Where is Durbin on this?


7 posted on 06/28/2005 6:09:57 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Warning.... Contents under pressure....)
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But Army regulations in effect since 1985 say superiors cannot lay a hand on their recruits to discipline them. The Army's Training and Doctrine Command regulations also disallow any physical or verbal hazing, which includes ``cruel or abusive tricks.'' Vulgar or sexually explicit language is also prohibited.

You have GOT to be KIDDING me!

8 posted on 06/28/2005 6:10:10 AM PDT by prion (Yes, as a matter of fact, I AM the spelling police)
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Oh my. Have you ever heard of such cruelty?


10 posted on 06/28/2005 6:11:08 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (NEW and IMPROVED: Now with 100% more Tyrannical Tendencies and Dictator Envy!)
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To: Squantos; Travis McGee; Chapita

Everything is cool, no underware on the head.


11 posted on 06/28/2005 6:11:21 AM PDT by razorback-bert
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This is part of a MSM campaign to strangle Army recruitment. It has multiple elements: (a) claim no one wants to join the Army (even with incentives), (b) claim Army recruiters are using out of bounds or nefarious tactics to recruit, (c) claim that Army targets the poor and minorities for recruiting, (d) claim that the Army abuses recruits, (e) excoriate the Army for not allowing Gays to serve, (f) tout "courageous" movements across the country to ban military recruiters from schools (or from getting any access to student info), and lastly: (g) play up the "quagmire" in Iraq--its a lost cause, so why join?

There are probably a few elements I missed--if nothing else, the MSM/Left are very creative and energetic.


12 posted on 06/28/2005 6:12:01 AM PDT by rbg81
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THE AP MAKES ME PLAIN SICK!
i would have liked all these folks at PI for the fall of 94'

GODSPEED!


13 posted on 06/28/2005 6:12:21 AM PDT by alpha-8-25-02 (SAVED BY GRACE AND GRACE ALONE!)
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THE AP MAKES ME PLAIN SICK!
i would have liked all these folks at PI for the fall of 94'

GODSPEED!


14 posted on 06/28/2005 6:12:51 AM PDT by alpha-8-25-02 (SAVED BY GRACE AND GRACE ALONE!)
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I went through boot at Great Lakes.....The CPO in charge of our group would regularly kick the shins of fellow recruits who couldn't march.....hard enough that blood would flow....We also got the standard humiliations,screaming cursing etc....

He also stood us at attention for two hours after getting our series of shots, this hobbled our company for 3 days....

But what really stands out is one guy who truly never got the concept of marching (left column, he's go right etc...). We were losing competitions against other companies as a result.

The Company Commander lined us up at attention, walked up to the young man and brought his heel down on the bridge of his foot breaking it.....The guy processed out that week and we started winning competitions.....

I was 17 when I entered boot and turned 18 just before graduation.....The comraderie, friendships, focus and sense of purpose I found in the military are dear to me.

NeverGore :^)


17 posted on 06/28/2005 6:16:29 AM PDT by nevergore (“It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.”)
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My tagline speaks for itself.............


19 posted on 06/28/2005 6:17:43 AM PDT by Red Badger (The Army makes the world safe for democracy. The Marines make the world safe for the Army.....)
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Hey, lets bash the Army more. Good front page news in the left wing, military hating media. Afterall, the failure to make recruiting mission was front page news for a week.

When are soldiers going to learn they are under a microscope and the smallest infraction too will be on the front page of the NY Times and Washington Post?


20 posted on 06/28/2005 6:17:50 AM PDT by armydawg1
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Enduring the stewardship of four junior Marine Drill Instructors was like living with four violent schizophrenics for three months. At graduation the four Marines in sgt stripes talking to my parents were not the same people (at least mentally) that got me through boot.


21 posted on 06/28/2005 6:17:54 AM PDT by Ajnin (I)
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Perhaps it would be only fair to suspend Article 91 of UCMJ for all training facilities. This would really toughen up the troops.


24 posted on 06/28/2005 6:21:46 AM PDT by cynicom
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I went through BCT in 61 at Knox and I had six cycles of troops as a BCT CO at Knox in 73 and 74. What is described in the article was not allowed back then and it surely doesn't build soldiers. What those Drill Sergeants did and what the Company Commander allowed was just wrong. The AP has nothing to do with it.


26 posted on 06/28/2005 6:22:37 AM PDT by leadpenny
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It's basic training, not a tea party. Get over it!


30 posted on 06/28/2005 6:24:44 AM PDT by toddlintown (Your papers please.)
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I went thru Fort Knox in 1960, I thought it was pretty tough, but the instructors never struck or hit the men.

Oh we got our steel pots rung by a swizzle stick but a climb up Agony , Misery or Heartbreak hills was the usual punishment. Sometimes I think I would rather have been hit than double timing up Agony.


34 posted on 06/28/2005 6:26:34 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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