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Deputy Fires at Car Driven by 12-Year-Old
Yahoo News ^ | June 27, 2005 | Yahoo

Posted on 06/27/2005 10:19:12 AM PDT by Nachum

LAKELAND, Fla. - A sheriff's deputy trying to stop an erratic driver fired at the car when it lurched toward him, not realizing a 12-year-old girl was behind the wheel, officials said. Neither she nor her 6-year-old brother were hit.

Deputy Chris Hillsgrove and a colleague pursued the car Sunday, eventually blocking it between their two patrol cars. When the deputies exited their vehicles, the car lurched forward and backward into the two cars, then drove toward Hillsgrove, Polk County Sheriff's spokeswoman Michal Shanley said.

"He, fearing for his life, fired several shots at the oncoming vehicle and managed to jump out of the way as the vehicle sped by him," Shanley said. The car then crashed into a nearby parked car.

The officers couldn't see the driver because the car's window's were tinted, she said.

The deputies discovered the driver was a 12-year-old girl when they broke a passenger-side window to get in, Shanley said. Her 6-year-old brother was also inside.

The girl suffered cuts and bruises, but neither child had been shot, Shanley said. The shots had passed over her head.

The girl was charged with attempted murder, auto theft, driving without a license and other counts. Hillsgrove was placed on administrative leave pending an investigation.

The girl had asked for and received the keys to the car, which belonged to a family friend, Shanley said.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 12yearold; at; by; car; deputy; driven; fires
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To: jboot

My favorite line from a western was I think Joe Kidd,...when he was aiming for the desparado escaping in the distance, pulled out the rifle for a long shot,...seconds later the rider falls off the horse,....bystander remarks, 'That was a helluva shot!',...The shooter drowls,,...'not really, I was aiming for the horse...'


41 posted on 06/27/2005 12:18:45 PM PDT by Cvengr (<;^))
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To: Nachum

It's a wonder the sheriff's deputy didn't have a heart attack when he learned who was behind the wheel.


42 posted on 06/27/2005 12:20:00 PM PDT by hershey
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To: Rodney King

Why not? It wasn't her car, she obviously wouldn't have a driver's license or insurance. The owner could not have legally given her permission to drive their car. also, almost running someone down sounds like attempted murder to me.


43 posted on 06/27/2005 1:05:01 PM PDT by Aonecountry
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To: Aonecountry
The owner could not have legally given her permission to drive their car.

Why not? Because she is 12? If so, then it is the owner who should somehow be arrested for stealing the car. If the girl didn't steal the car, then she shouldn't be charged with stealing it.

also, almost running someone down sounds like attempted murder to me.

She's 12. I doubt she has/had any ability to understand that what she was doing was life threatening. Therfore, it would be manslaughter at worst.

44 posted on 06/27/2005 1:21:57 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Rodney King

It's always been my understanding that if you are driving another person's car without their permission that's stealing. Isn't it?


45 posted on 06/27/2005 1:31:38 PM PDT by Aonecountry
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To: Aonecountry
It's always been my understanding that if you are driving another person's car without their permission that's stealing. Isn't it?

Yeah, but I thought the girl had the permission? I think we are just reading the story differently.

46 posted on 06/27/2005 1:34:03 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Aonecountry
...also, almost running someone down sounds like attempted murder to me.

At the ripe, old age of 12, almost running someone down sounds like total lack of skill behind the wheel and probable absence of malice. If she really had the skill required to run the cop down and the malicious intent to do it, she'd have been able to keep him lined up with the hood ornament in spite of all his dancing around and he wouldn't have had a prayer.

47 posted on 06/27/2005 1:40:15 PM PDT by HKMk23 (A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel. -- Robert Frost)
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To: Aonecountry

Wow, I can't count how many times over the years I have had to dodge cars flying through parking lots. I guess they all could have been changed with attempted murder. And, yes, there were times I feared for my life as well!


48 posted on 06/27/2005 1:44:51 PM PDT by spokanite
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To: Jack Deth
You don't kill the driver. You kill the car!

You don't? Why not? Saves a bundle of money in the long run.

Cuts down on global warming, too. Fewer perps = fewer emissions.

Worked while I was growing up; then the 60s came along, and everybody got touchy-feeling, namby-pamby, thanks to all the bitching over killing S.E. Asian commie murderers, and just look at us now....

49 posted on 06/27/2005 2:04:24 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more work horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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To: lilylangtree
Go[...] why don't the police shoot out the tires of cars to stop them or to slow them down?

Because you have to be at a certain angle to have a chance of hitting the tires; the target is very difficult to hit; meaning that bullets will go flying around in a varying background (which may include people); if you do hit the tires and they are certain types of steel radials, they may simply bounce; and if you do manage to overcome all of that and puncture the tire, it may not stop the car.

Shooting at tires is really bad judgment.

50 posted on 06/27/2005 2:45:58 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Nachum
Thankfully the cops missed (again). But a few weeks ago numerous cops openned up on an SUV, with nearly 100 shots being fired. I know one cop was hit, and I think the driver was slightly wounded. Yesterday on FR, I read an article where car theives had stolen a tow truck, and then tried stealing a car out of an apartment complex parking lot. The owner of the car chased after them, running. He fired again either 3 or 6 times and hit the driver in the head. Who last I knew was in serious condition.

Why is it cops are shooting their guns, but not hitting anything, except each other? Meanwhile, an ordinary citizen fires 6 shots at a car theif, while running after him, and hits him in the head.

Now I know why the libs want to take away our guns. We'll actually hit what we're shooting at.

51 posted on 06/27/2005 3:07:45 PM PDT by mountn man (Everyone brings joy into a room. Some when they enter. Others when they leave)
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To: MortMan

"killing the car"

Remember the movie Fritz the Cat and his triumphant "I killed a john" after he shot a toilet bowl. Both are movie scenes.


52 posted on 06/27/2005 4:46:36 PM PDT by GladesGuru ("In a society predicated upon liberty, it is essential to examine principles)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
I imagine he would be fairly rattled after nearly being run over by, and shooting at a 12 year old and a 6 year old.

Mainly, though to get some range time.

I imagine the fit will be hitting the shan over this, but who in their right mind would be handing a 12 year old the keys?

53 posted on 06/28/2005 12:59:38 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Grant no power to government you would not want your worst enemies to wield against you.)
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To: Bhrian
So if we lose the brakes in a vehicle and an officer is nearby, we may be killed. Nice.

Take your foot off of the gas, put the vehicle in a lower gear, shut off the engine, and duck.

54 posted on 06/28/2005 1:02:42 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Grant no power to government you would not want your worst enemies to wield against you.)
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To: mlc9852
That girl is lucky she wasn't killed. What in the world was she thinking? And what was the "family friend" thinking? People can be such idiots!

When my kids were young teens, they would frequently ask for & receive the keys to my car. The purpose was always to retrieve some item from the locked car, or to put some treasured posession away so it would not be left behind. Adult supervision was not necesary for this errand.

We would frequently go on day trips and multi-family outings. Cars were used as mobile storage lockers as well as for basic transportation.

Never once did a child attempt to drive a car.

55 posted on 06/28/2005 1:25:02 AM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: monday
She may have said she wanted to get something out of the trunk.

That was my first thought as well.

56 posted on 06/28/2005 1:25:51 AM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: HKMk23; spokanite; Rodney King; Aonecountry

The article relates that after the officers pinned the car with their police cars, and got out to make the arrest (or investigation...), the car lurched forward and BACKWARD, breaking loose from the pin and heading for the officer.

The ramming and backing to ram again or break free is a fully intentional act, as well as being a highly dangerous one. The officer found himself in the path of an escaping vehicle being driven by a desperate driver with no regard for lives or property, just escape from the police.

Given that the officer couldn't see who was driving, there were no constraints on his duty to protect his own life by shooting. Even if he had seen that the driver was a small person, he certainly couldn't have determined how old the driver was in that split life-or-death second.

Young offenders are often highly dangerous to law enforcement, because they do not have the common sense or experience to know how to rationally react to a stressful situation. Kids with real guns often shoot first, just like on TV, or like this girl, turn a car into a deadly weapon when the cops come to arrest, cite, etc.

No policeman can predict how anyone will act in those circumstances, which is why they treat everyone with suspicion. Kids are the worst.


57 posted on 06/28/2005 3:52:31 AM PDT by Randy Papadoo (Hey! That's NOT YOUR COOKIE!!!)
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To: Randi Papadoo

It's clear the officer did the right thing then.


58 posted on 06/28/2005 9:17:13 AM PDT by Aonecountry
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